REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!

[trix]

Lacing doesn't happen?  I've SEEN IT happen.  In fact, a few years ago there was all this hoopla in Milwaukee because some drug dealers laced a bunch of crack with weed they sold to high school kids, to get them addicted and coming back for more.  I don't know if the addiction worked or not but a few kids were seriously hurt from over-smoking the shit and having heart problems.

Personally, I've never had my shit laced.  But I'm no high school kid, and I buy from friends, not some random Rasta in the park.  But it DOES happen, however rare.

- trix

EDIT: Typed too quickly, fixed.

[trix]

Although, to be fair, that combo seems to be popular among certain types in Milwaukee, they call the laced joints "fry daddies" and they grind up the rock and roll it into the J, usually charging much more for a fry daddy.

So it might just be a local thing.

[AFK]

Yeah, because the person whose joints they were WANTED to smoke some PCP with their weed. Or because they had a market of willing customers who WANTED PCP in their weed. Nobody sells laced weed to people who don't want it, unless maybe it's a form of revenge for being ripped off by that person or something like that.

Also, I don't know how many DEA field agents you've ever known, but every single one I've ever known has been just as big a scumbag as the dealers they pretend to go after. Wouldn't put it past them at all to plant shit like that every once in a while to justify their tactics and/or budget. Obviously, that's strictly conjecture and not meant to be a rational point of debate.

Bottom line is that it does happen and it is the case that sometimes people don't 100% know what they're buying, whether the dealer deceives them, or simply doesn't know 100% what they are selling.  Of course, since it is a black market product, there is no way to know how widespread it is or how often it occurs but it does occur. 

And I work very closely with a person in the DEA somewhat high on the food chain.  He's one of the nicest guys I've ever met and had the pleasure to work with.  I mean, the other thing to consider, why motivation does the DEA have to lie to those working along with them?  I mean, I could see the conspiracy theory that they are lying to the public so they can keep on doing what they're doing.  But they have absolutely NO incentive to lie to me. 

[maphdet]

I'm sorry but if your dumb enough to buy from someone that you do not know then....

When I was a kid and still smoked- Even when I was in high school-I knew better than to buy shit from people I did not know.

I'm sure the the lacing does happen at some levels-but it happens to people who really have no business smoking or whatnot AND being dumb. 
Just saying is all.

[East Coast Hustle]

Lacing doesn't happen?  I've SEEN IT happen.  In fact, a few years ago there was all this hoopla in Milwaukee because some drug dealers laced a bunch of crack with weed they sold to high school kids, to get them addicted and coming back for more.  I don't know if the addiction worked or not but a few kids were seriously hurt from over-smoking the shit and having heart problems.

Personally, I've never had my shit laced.  But I'm no high school kid, and I buy from friends, not some random Rasta in the park.  But it DOES happen, however rare.

- trix

EDIT: Typed too quickly, fixed.

"All this hoopla", huh?



Dude, first of all you don't get addicted to crack by accidentally taking one hit with your weed.

Second of all, you wouldn't even BE smoking crack since you wouldn't be getting it hot enough to vaporize with just one bic lighter.

Try knowing what the fuck you're talking about before you weigh in.

[East Coast Hustle]

Yeah, because the person whose joints they were WANTED to smoke some PCP with their weed. Or because they had a market of willing customers who WANTED PCP in their weed. Nobody sells laced weed to people who don't want it, unless maybe it's a form of revenge for being ripped off by that person or something like that.

Also, I don't know how many DEA field agents you've ever known, but every single one I've ever known has been just as big a scumbag as the dealers they pretend to go after. Wouldn't put it past them at all to plant shit like that every once in a while to justify their tactics and/or budget. Obviously, that's strictly conjecture and not meant to be a rational point of debate.

Bottom line is that it does happen and it is the case that sometimes people don't 100% know what they're buying, whether the dealer deceives them, or simply doesn't know 100% what they are selling.  Of course, since it is a black market product, there is no way to know how widespread it is or how often it occurs but it does occur. 

And I work very closely with a person in the DEA somewhat high on the food chain.  He's one of the nicest guys I've ever met and had the pleasure to work with.  I mean, the other thing to consider, why motivation does the DEA have to lie to those working along with them?  I mean, I could see the conspiracy theory that they are lying to the public so they can keep on doing what they're doing.  But they have absolutely NO incentive to lie to me. 

You missed the part where I specified that I was talking about field agents.

You know, the ones who are providing your desk jockey nice guy with his "information".

You also missed the point where I specified that my observations about DEA field agents (and believe me, they are extensive observations) were never meant to be a point of debate, just an observational aside.

[East Coast Hustle]

I sometimes get the feeling that I might be the only person here who ACTUALLY has a fucking clue how the black market for drugs really works.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I sometimes get the feeling that I might be the only person here who ACTUALLY has a fucking clue how the black market for drugs really works.

Eh, I think I have a clue, even though I'm pretty naive about a lot of things. My ex was a heroin junkie so I picked up a lot from him, and I know a few growers and dealers so the shit rubs off.

One thing that a bunch of these fucksticks are missing is that there's a huge difference between people combining drugs in a joint (I have friends who grow their own opium and will put some sticky in a joint, people put all kinds of things in when they're rolling for their own consumption) and people lacing pot to sell.

And Trix just believes everything she sees on the local news, which is lulzy in itself.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Seriously, people care like coffee snobs about how pure/well cured/dank their marijuana is. They fucking buy it BY THE STRAIN. "I'll have a half of the Cheese and a half of the Blue". They want to sample it before they choose. Prices are so low that people compete to produce/offer the very best pot money can buy. Adding crack to marijuana (I am laughing at this, it's such a stupid thing to believe for a WIDE VARIETY of reasons) is as stupid as adding Mountain Dew to coffee. Buyers are picky bitches. Sellers know their growers personally. People do not fuck with their product quality with pot. With meth, yes. With pot, no.

In addition, if you just pretended none of the above was true, adding a secondary drug to marijuana is an expensive proposition, and it would be a fool's errand to do it and then not sell it as a value-added product. However, people don't want a value-added product; they want the freedom of choice to mix their own if so desired.

Lastly, FUCKING HELL TRIX, there are so many reasons the "they put crack in the marijuana" story is TOTALLY RETARDED that I can't even start, even beginning from a purely practical standpoint... I can't believe anyone believes that.



Fuck.

I try to mostly avoid this thread because of the rampant naivete and outright stupidity it contains, but I got sucked in. Shit.

[East Coast Hustle]

I sometimes get the feeling that I might be the only person here who ACTUALLY has a fucking clue how the black market for drugs really works.

Eh, I think I have a clue, even though I'm pretty naive about a lot of things. My ex was a heroin junkie so I picked up a lot from him, and I know a few growers and dealers so the shit rubs off.

One thing that a bunch of these fucksticks are missing is that there's a huge difference between people combining drugs in a joint (I have friends who grow their own opium and will put some sticky in a joint, people put all kinds of things in when they're rolling for their own consumption) and people lacing pot to sell.

And Trix just believes everything she sees on the local news, which is lulzy in itself.

SO MUCH THIS.

And yeah, I know that there are plenty of people here who are passingly (or more) familiar with the black market and/or the drug business, but I'm guessing I'm the only one here who qualifies as an "expert".



Statute of limitations have all expired, so I don't give much of a shit who knows that.

[AFK]

Yeah, because the person whose joints they were WANTED to smoke some PCP with their weed. Or because they had a market of willing customers who WANTED PCP in their weed. Nobody sells laced weed to people who don't want it, unless maybe it's a form of revenge for being ripped off by that person or something like that.

Also, I don't know how many DEA field agents you've ever known, but every single one I've ever known has been just as big a scumbag as the dealers they pretend to go after. Wouldn't put it past them at all to plant shit like that every once in a while to justify their tactics and/or budget. Obviously, that's strictly conjecture and not meant to be a rational point of debate.

Bottom line is that it does happen and it is the case that sometimes people don't 100% know what they're buying, whether the dealer deceives them, or simply doesn't know 100% what they are selling.  Of course, since it is a black market product, there is no way to know how widespread it is or how often it occurs but it does occur. 

And I work very closely with a person in the DEA somewhat high on the food chain.  He's one of the nicest guys I've ever met and had the pleasure to work with.  I mean, the other thing to consider, why motivation does the DEA have to lie to those working along with them?  I mean, I could see the conspiracy theory that they are lying to the public so they can keep on doing what they're doing.  But they have absolutely NO incentive to lie to me. 

You missed the part where I specified that I was talking about field agents.

You know, the ones who are providing your desk jockey nice guy with his "information".

He is a field agent.  A leader of field agents, but a field agent nonetheless.  And he would love to be a "desk jockey" and be out of the field completely.  But he isn't yet. 

You also missed the point where I specified that my observations about DEA field agents (and believe me, they are extensive observations) were never meant to be a point of debate, just an observational aside.

I didn't miss it at all.  But if you're going to post it, I'm going to debate it. 

[AFK]

I sometimes get the feeling that I might be the only person here who ACTUALLY has a fucking clue how the black market for drugs really works.

Your feeling would be inaccurate. 

[East Coast Hustle]

Really?

How many times have you bought dope on the street?

How many times have you bought it from a mid-level dealer?

How many times have you bought it right from the source?

How many times have you smuggled it across an international border?

What is the estimated dollar value of the largest deal you have ever been part of as either a buyer, seller, or middleman?

Say what you want, but if the answer to these questions is "zero" then you're missing a rather critical perspective on the reality of your field of interest.

[Laughin Jude]

God fucking dammit just let this thread full of fascist prohibitionist bullshit die, I'm tired of seeing it show up in my "new posts" feed.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I sometimes get the feeling that I might be the only person here who ACTUALLY has a fucking clue how the black market for drugs really works.

Your feeling would be inaccurate.  

Oh come on, RWHN. You are probably the least credible authority here on the reality of drug trading other than Trix. You mostly regurgitate Department Approved™ propaganda, most of which appears to have been written by Nancy Reagan.