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Started by Cain, October 04, 2010, 04:20:47 PM

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:03:37 PM
Also to point out the blatantly obvious, the soviets were our allies in the war. Allies. Not enemies.

In reality, the Soviets were allied with the Soviets.
Molon Lube

Adios

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:03:18 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:01:45 PMPlease see my earlier post concerning the Treaty with the Soviets concerning the division of Korea.

Bah...What's article VI of the US constitution, when we could be welcomed by millions of grateful, American flag-waving Iraqis North Koreans?

We are revising history ITT.  :lol:

Adios

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:03:37 PM
Also to point out the blatantly obvious, the soviets were our allies in the war. Allies. Not enemies.

In reality, the Soviets were allied with the Soviets.

In fact of truth, yes. But they did kill one hell of a lot of Germans.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:05:49 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:04:24 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:03:37 PM
Also to point out the blatantly obvious, the soviets were our allies in the war. Allies. Not enemies.

In reality, the Soviets were allied with the Soviets.

In fact of truth, yes. But they did kill one hell of a lot of Germans.

Yep.  And we did in fact sign a treaty with them concerning Korea.

The fact that Korea (and Vietnam) had little to say in these matters is another story, but hardly atypical in a situation like that.
Molon Lube

Adios

I think in my next life I want to be a history professor.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:09:19 PM
I think in my next life I want to be a history professor.

In Kansas?   :lulz:
Molon Lube

Adios


Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:00:25 PM
I think we lost Korea in the war of Public Relations.

It's a good thing that public relations were pretty much irrelevant in that war.

We lost in the minds of American yahoos that think of WWII as the standard for wars, rather than a very obvious exception.

I think they were irrelevant to the military objectives in the short term. However, you can trace the anti-war American mindset from Korea into Vietnam and through to now. And you're right about the failed understanding of War, WWI and WWII, American Revolution and Civil War were nice neat bundles and thats what people remember. They forget the many military events that look more like Operation: Iraqi Freedom (where we quietly wander off in the middle of the night), than ticker tape parades.

I also think it was easier to sell "Kill Hitler" to the American people (after all he was hurting nice Anglo Saxon Christians!!) than a bunch of *insert slang here* in some jungle on the wrong side of the planet. On top of that, the resentment to the draft was taking hold while previously, mostly just religious freaks had balked at 'doing their duty'.

- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:10:33 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:09:48 PM
Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:09:19 PM
I think in my next life I want to be a history professor.

In Kansas?   :lulz:

OH HELL NO.

"...And then George Washington thanked Baby Jesus, and jumped on his velociraptor, and rode off into the sunset."
Molon Lube

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:11:05 PM

I also think it was easier to sell "Kill Hitler" to the American people (after all he was hurting nice Anglo Saxon Christians!!) than a bunch of *insert slang here* in some jungle on the wrong side of the planet. On top of that, the resentment to the draft was taking hold while previously, mostly just religious freaks had balked at 'doing their duty'.



Tojo was more hated in America than Hitler ever was.  Just saying.
Molon Lube

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:11:05 PM

I also think it was easier to sell "Kill Hitler" to the American people (after all he was hurting nice Anglo Saxon Christians!!) than a bunch of *insert slang here* in some jungle on the wrong side of the planet. On top of that, the resentment to the draft was taking hold while previously, mostly just religious freaks had balked at 'doing their duty'.



Tojo was more hated in America than Hitler ever was.  Just saying.

Well, I wasn't alive then so I'll have to defer to you ancients   :)
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Adios

Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:00:25 PM
I think we lost Korea in the war of Public Relations.

It's a good thing that public relations were pretty much irrelevant in that war.

We lost in the minds of American yahoos that think of WWII as the standard for wars, rather than a very obvious exception.

I think they were irrelevant to the military objectives in the short term. However, you can trace the anti-war American mindset from Korea into Vietnam and through to now. And you're right about the failed understanding of War, WWI and WWII, American Revolution and Civil War were nice neat bundles and thats what people remember. They forget the many military events that look more like Operation: Iraqi Freedom (where we quietly wander off in the middle of the night), than ticker tape parades.

I also think it was easier to sell "Kill Hitler" to the American people (after all he was hurting nice Anglo Saxon Christians!!) than a bunch of *insert slang here* in some jungle on the wrong side of the planet. On top of that, the resentment to the draft was taking hold while previously, mostly just religious freaks had balked at 'doing their duty'.



Point of interest. Jews are not Christians. But that said, I do see where your intention was.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:13:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:11:05 PM

I also think it was easier to sell "Kill Hitler" to the American people (after all he was hurting nice Anglo Saxon Christians!!) than a bunch of *insert slang here* in some jungle on the wrong side of the planet. On top of that, the resentment to the draft was taking hold while previously, mostly just religious freaks had balked at 'doing their duty'.



Tojo was more hated in America than Hitler ever was.  Just saying.

Well, I wasn't alive then so I'll have to defer to you ancients   :)

Yeah, I was alive back then, and stumping my walker through the battle of the bulge.  :crankey:

Dok,
Talked to WWII-era people once or twice, and has read a book or two.
Molon Lube

Adios

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Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:13:47 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:12:08 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:11:05 PM

I also think it was easier to sell "Kill Hitler" to the American people (after all he was hurting nice Anglo Saxon Christians!!) than a bunch of *insert slang here* in some jungle on the wrong side of the planet. On top of that, the resentment to the draft was taking hold while previously, mostly just religious freaks had balked at 'doing their duty'.



I had an uncle who was a machine gun sargent in the Battle of the Bulge. And he survived it.

Tojo was more hated in America than Hitler ever was.  Just saying.

Well, I wasn't alive then so I'll have to defer to you ancients   :)

Yeah, I was alive back then, and stumping my walker through the battle of the bulge.  :crankey:

Dok,
Talked to WWII-era people once or twice, and has read a book or two.

My Uncle was in the Battle of the Bulge, a machine gun Sargent, and a survivor.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Henny Youngman on October 04, 2010, 07:14:05 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:11:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on October 04, 2010, 07:02:19 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on October 04, 2010, 07:00:25 PM
I think we lost Korea in the war of Public Relations.

It's a good thing that public relations were pretty much irrelevant in that war.

We lost in the minds of American yahoos that think of WWII as the standard for wars, rather than a very obvious exception.

I think they were irrelevant to the military objectives in the short term. However, you can trace the anti-war American mindset from Korea into Vietnam and through to now. And you're right about the failed understanding of War, WWI and WWII, American Revolution and Civil War were nice neat bundles and thats what people remember. They forget the many military events that look more like Operation: Iraqi Freedom (where we quietly wander off in the middle of the night), than ticker tape parades.

I also think it was easier to sell "Kill Hitler" to the American people (after all he was hurting nice Anglo Saxon Christians!!) than a bunch of *insert slang here* in some jungle on the wrong side of the planet. On top of that, the resentment to the draft was taking hold while previously, mostly just religious freaks had balked at 'doing their duty'.



Point of interest. Jews are not Christians. But that said, I do see where your intention was.

Well, the Poles and French and Austrians were Euros... and remember the American public wasn't terribly aware of the Jewish plight (at least not the horrific enormity of it) until our troops were in there cleaning the mess up.

My grandfather was part of the ground forces and was at Dresden and then later one of the camps. After he came home, there were days that he would just go sit on the hill, watch the sun rise and watch it set and then grandma would have to go get him. He said that clean up was one day of work and two days before you could hold down water, then back to rotation and that was just the war side. He didn't talk much at all about what happened when they got into the camp.

- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson