Hate Crime

[BadBeast]

just to be a prick, the first recorded use of the term 'hate crime' in legal records was 1922.

Yeah, we all really hate crime!

[Triple Zero]

I just took a big hate crime.   

Do you mean EPIC POOMP?

I savagely assaulted the toilet bowl, and then wrote all over it with a sharpie.

Was it SMUDGY?

[Doktor Howl]

I just took a big hate crime.   

Do you mean EPIC POOMP?

I savagely assaulted the toilet bowl, and then wrote all over it with a sharpie.

Was it SMUDGY?

Afterward?  Yeah.

[the last yatto]

'Motivation doesn't legally justify any crime.'

No but it decides the level of punishment.
Making a plan vs random act

[BadBeast]

'Motivation doesn't legally justify any crime.'

No but it decides the level of punishment.
Making a plan vs random act

While motivation doesn't legally justify any crime, it can define it. eg When making the distinction between Manslaughter, and Murder. It can also mitigate a punishment, after guilt has been established. But if a crime is committed, that has factors that elevate it to a hatecrime, then the Law implemented in it's prosecution should be re-written, and properly defined, to avoid confusion when charging someone. Also to distinguish it from a "strong dislike" crime, many of which might get mistaken for hatecrime. But I think it might end up with the Courts having to prove a that a person was, indeed motivated by hate. Which means that "Hatred" would have to be quantified and defined, Legally. Which could be tricky.

[the last yatto]

Things like sexual harassment and terrorism aren't as tricky? How about minors who engage in sexting being labeled a pedo.

[BadBeast]

Things like sexual harassment and terrorism aren't as tricky? How about minors who engage in sexting being labeled a pedo.

I agree, they can be tricky, but how about someone charged with sexual harrassment, on the grounds of them being a misogynist? Is that a hatecrime?
Terrorism aimed at a specific racial group or minoritiy, is pretty cut and dried as Terrorist groups tend to state their motives and aims. And minors sexting minors isn't even prosecutable over here. But labelling them as Paedos does seem a little extreme. I don't think we even have sexting as an offence over here. Obviously, if sustained and unsolicited against a particular person, it would be prosecutable under existing harrassment Laws. But if minors are getting labelled as paedos for this? That just illustrates how careful you have to be when Legislating.

[Doktor Howl]

Things like sexual harassment and terrorism aren't as tricky? How about minors who engage in sexting being labeled a pedo.

The American people have been demanding shit like this since 1980.  Now they have it, and they're all outraged when DA's do what the law now says they have to do.

[Kai]

I for one am for hate crime laws. The only way to get people to stop doing something is to make it hurt very bad, much worse than it would benefit them to do so. Or give them a shiny distraction. Either way.

[Doktor Howl]

I for one am for hate crime laws. The only way to get people to stop doing something is to make it hurt very bad, much worse than it would benefit them to do so. Or give them a shiny distraction. Either way.

I just think it's funny to stick an extra ten years on a pinhead's sentence.

Dok,
Petty, sometimes.

[Kai]

I for one am for hate crime laws. The only way to get people to stop doing something is to make it hurt very bad, much worse than it would benefit them to do so. Or give them a shiny distraction. Either way.

I just think it's funny to stick an extra ten years on a pinhead's sentence.

Dok,
Petty, sometimes.

I have to admit, it is satisfying to see assholes get kicked in the balls.

[Doktor Howl]

I for one am for hate crime laws. The only way to get people to stop doing something is to make it hurt very bad, much worse than it would benefit them to do so. Or give them a shiny distraction. Either way.

I just think it's funny to stick an extra ten years on a pinhead's sentence.

Dok,
Petty, sometimes.

I have to admit, it is satisfying to see assholes get kicked in the balls.

Given absolute power, I am unsure whether or not I would enforce hate legislation.

But as a spectator, I enjoy the fuck out of it.

I know there's some sticky moral problems with that stance, but I'm okay with that.

[BadBeast]

I for one am for hate crime laws. The only way to get people to stop doing something is to make it hurt very bad, much worse than it would benefit them to do so. Or give them a shiny distraction. Either way.

I think I probably agree with you. You can't Legislate against people having rancid points of view, but you can Legislate against people acting out on that shit. My only concern is that it will add to the general paranoia the Media like to bombard people with, in order to distort the worldview of the more suggestable into disproportionate levels of fear.

[Doktor Howl]

I for one am for hate crime laws. The only way to get people to stop doing something is to make it hurt very bad, much worse than it would benefit them to do so. Or give them a shiny distraction. Either way.

I think I probably agree with you. You can't Legislate against people having rancid points of view, but you can Legislate against people acting out on that shit. My only concern is that it will add to the general paranoia the Media like to bombard people with, in order to distort the worldview of the more suggestable into disproportionate levels of fear.

They're going to be afraid, anyway.

[BadBeast]

I for one am for hate crime laws. The only way to get people to stop doing something is to make it hurt very bad, much worse than it would benefit them to do so. Or give them a shiny distraction. Either way.

I think I probably agree with you. You can't Legislate against people having rancid points of view, but you can Legislate against people acting out on that shit. My only concern is that it will add to the general paranoia the Media like to bombard people with, in order to distort the worldview of the more suggestable into disproportionate levels of fear.

They're going to be afraid, anyway.

True enough. Maybe we should introduce "Fear Crime" Laws That might calm them down a bit. Or at least stop them screaming out loud, and waking the baby.