Maddow interviews Jon Stewart

[The Good Reverend Roger]

As for Palin, she's a war hawk, and the battle within the party was begun by the antiwar, socially liberal, fiscally conservative libertarians.

Utter bullshit.  The battle was begun by the right wing fanatics when they lost the 2006 and 2008 elections.  They started tossing people out/throwing them under the bus based on ideological litmus tests.  They even drove Arlen Specter out of the party, and he's been there since Christ was a corporal.

you mean Arlin "Patriot Act signer, guy who added that provision that removed the 120 day limit on interim appointments by the Attorney General, also voted for the ARRA stimulus" Spector?  He quit the Republican party and was subsequently rejected by the Democrats.

I stand by what I said.  

Of course you do.  We can't run around holding Mrs Sarah responsible for her actions, or Steele for his.  It wouldn't be right.

And we're all stupid as fuck, and can't remember things that happened 2 years ago.

Spector quit because he was told he was insufficiently conservative, and his party was not only not going to help him in the primary, they were going to fund someone to run against him.

But why let a fact or two get in the way, when Mrs Palin's honor is at stake?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, he wasn't rejected from the democratic party.

Your facts are assprone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlen_Specter

[Disco Pickle]

As for Palin, she's a war hawk, and the battle within the party was begun by the antiwar, socially liberal, fiscally conservative libertarians.

Utter bullshit.  The battle was begun by the right wing fanatics when they lost the 2006 and 2008 elections.  They started tossing people out/throwing them under the bus based on ideological litmus tests.  They even drove Arlen Specter out of the party, and he's been there since Christ was a corporal.

you mean Arlin "Patriot Act signer, guy who added that provision that removed the 120 day limit on interim appointments by the Attorney General, also voted for the ARRA stimulus" Spector?  He quit the Republican party and was subsequently rejected by the Democrats.

I stand by what I said.  

Of course you do.  We can't run around holding Mrs Sarah responsible for her actions, or Steele for his.  It wouldn't be right.

And we're all stupid as fuck, and can't remember things that happened 2 years ago.

Spector quit because he was told he was insufficiently conservative, and his party was not only not going to help him in the primary, they were going to fund someone to run against him.

But why let a fact or two get in the way, when Mrs Palin's honor is at stake?

where the fuck is the sigh emoticon?

where you get that I'm somehow defending Sarah Palin is beyond me.  The fight might have been co-opted by the same religious rights from Fallwells "Moral Majority" but it wasn't started by them.

As someone who was actually on the ground, participating and pushing and supporting local libertarian candidates to precinct heads and local office during this time period, I'm giving you first hand information gleaned from conversations with many MANY people, not shit I read off of Wonket or wherever this crap about it being Sarah Palin's movement from the start got started.

National party politics took it over and are still trying to get it to conform to what they want it to be.  It started much smaller and with high hopes, however unrealistic once you get past the state level.

[Disco Pickle]

Also, he wasn't rejected from the democratic party.

Your facts are assprone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlen_Specter

wasn't re-elected to their party.  Didn't say the kicked him out.

I get the feeling you do that on purpose.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

As for Palin, she's a war hawk, and the battle within the party was begun by the antiwar, socially liberal, fiscally conservative libertarians.

Utter bullshit.  The battle was begun by the right wing fanatics when they lost the 2006 and 2008 elections.  They started tossing people out/throwing them under the bus based on ideological litmus tests.  They even drove Arlen Specter out of the party, and he's been there since Christ was a corporal.

you mean Arlin "Patriot Act signer, guy who added that provision that removed the 120 day limit on interim appointments by the Attorney General, also voted for the ARRA stimulus" Spector?  He quit the Republican party and was subsequently rejected by the Democrats.

I stand by what I said.  

Of course you do.  We can't run around holding Mrs Sarah responsible for her actions, or Steele for his.  It wouldn't be right.

And we're all stupid as fuck, and can't remember things that happened 2 years ago.

Spector quit because he was told he was insufficiently conservative, and his party was not only not going to help him in the primary, they were going to fund someone to run against him.

But why let a fact or two get in the way, when Mrs Palin's honor is at stake?

where the fuck is the sigh emoticon?

where you get that I'm somehow defending Sarah Palin is beyond me.  The fight might have been co-opted by the same religious rights from Fallwells "Moral Majority" but it wasn't started by them.

As someone who was actually on the ground, participating and pushing and supporting local libertarian candidates to precinct heads and local office during this time period, I'm giving you first hand information gleaned from conversations with many MANY people, not shit I read off of Wonket or wherever this crap about it being Sarah Palin's movement from the start got started.

National party politics took it over and are still trying to get it to conform to what they want it to be.  It started much smaller and with high hopes, however unrealistic once you get past the state level.

You're giving me unverifiable anecdotal SECOND HAND, hearsay bullshit, when I can just look at direct quotes from Steele, Palin, and Specter.

And link me to the post where I referenced Wonkett?  Thanks in advance...Until you provide such a link, take your strawman bullshit to someone who'll listen to it.

TGRR,
Has no time for the dishonest.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, he wasn't rejected from the democratic party.

Your facts are assprone.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arlen_Specter

wasn't re-elected to their party.  Didn't say the kicked him out.

I get the feeling you do that on purpose.

  You said they rejected him.  We weren't talking about his election, but his defection.

You're intellectually dishonest.  Fuck off.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I swear to God, it's like talking to Memnoch over at MW. 

Fucking "independents" are all the same.

[Disco Pickle]

As for Palin, she's a war hawk, and the battle within the party was begun by the antiwar, socially liberal, fiscally conservative libertarians.

Utter bullshit.  The battle was begun by the right wing fanatics when they lost the 2006 and 2008 elections.  They started tossing people out/throwing them under the bus based on ideological litmus tests.  They even drove Arlen Specter out of the party, and he's been there since Christ was a corporal.

you mean Arlin "Patriot Act signer, guy who added that provision that removed the 120 day limit on interim appointments by the Attorney General, also voted for the ARRA stimulus" Spector?  He quit the Republican party and was subsequently rejected by the Democrats.

I stand by what I said.  

Of course you do.  We can't run around holding Mrs Sarah responsible for her actions, or Steele for his.  It wouldn't be right.

And we're all stupid as fuck, and can't remember things that happened 2 years ago.

Spector quit because he was told he was insufficiently conservative, and his party was not only not going to help him in the primary, they were going to fund someone to run against him.

But why let a fact or two get in the way, when Mrs Palin's honor is at stake?

where the fuck is the sigh emoticon?

where you get that I'm somehow defending Sarah Palin is beyond me.  The fight might have been co-opted by the same religious rights from Fallwells "Moral Majority" but it wasn't started by them.

As someone who was actually on the ground, participating and pushing and supporting local libertarian candidates to precinct heads and local office during this time period, I'm giving you first hand information gleaned from conversations with many MANY people, not shit I read off of Wonket or wherever this crap about it being Sarah Palin's movement from the start got started.

National party politics took it over and are still trying to get it to conform to what they want it to be.  It started much smaller and with high hopes, however unrealistic once you get past the state level.

You're giving me unverifiable anecdotal SECOND HAND, hearsay bullshit, when I can just look at direct quotes from Steele, Palin, and Specter.

And link me to the post where I referenced Wonkett?  Thanks in advance...Until you provide such a link, take your strawman bullshit to someone who'll listen to it.

TGRR,
Has no time for the dishonest.

feel free to link me where I was clearly defending sarah palin.

you willfully misinterpret what should be clear to someone with basic reading comprehension skills.  You want to parse words when you obviously knew I knew who I was talking about and am very familiar with his defection and inability to get re-elected as a democrat.

as to it being second hand, well I guess whatever Sarah, Steele et. al. say about the division within the party must the the fucking TROOF.  

you're being dishonest and can yourself, fuck off.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

As for Palin, she's a war hawk, and the battle within the party was begun by the antiwar, socially liberal, fiscally conservative libertarians.

Utter bullshit.  The battle was begun by the right wing fanatics when they lost the 2006 and 2008 elections.  They started tossing people out/throwing them under the bus based on ideological litmus tests.  They even drove Arlen Specter out of the party, and he's been there since Christ was a corporal.

you mean Arlin "Patriot Act signer, guy who added that provision that removed the 120 day limit on interim appointments by the Attorney General, also voted for the ARRA stimulus" Spector?  He quit the Republican party and was subsequently rejected by the Democrats.

I stand by what I said.  

Of course you do.  We can't run around holding Mrs Sarah responsible for her actions, or Steele for his.  It wouldn't be right.

And we're all stupid as fuck, and can't remember things that happened 2 years ago.

Spector quit because he was told he was insufficiently conservative, and his party was not only not going to help him in the primary, they were going to fund someone to run against him.

But why let a fact or two get in the way, when Mrs Palin's honor is at stake?

where the fuck is the sigh emoticon?

where you get that I'm somehow defending Sarah Palin is beyond me.  The fight might have been co-opted by the same religious rights from Fallwells "Moral Majority" but it wasn't started by them.

As someone who was actually on the ground, participating and pushing and supporting local libertarian candidates to precinct heads and local office during this time period, I'm giving you first hand information gleaned from conversations with many MANY people, not shit I read off of Wonket or wherever this crap about it being Sarah Palin's movement from the start got started.

National party politics took it over and are still trying to get it to conform to what they want it to be.  It started much smaller and with high hopes, however unrealistic once you get past the state level.

You're giving me unverifiable anecdotal SECOND HAND, hearsay bullshit, when I can just look at direct quotes from Steele, Palin, and Specter.

And link me to the post where I referenced Wonkett?  Thanks in advance...Until you provide such a link, take your strawman bullshit to someone who'll listen to it.

TGRR,
Has no time for the dishonest.

feel free to link me where I was clearly defending sarah palin.

First nested quote in this post.  You told a deliberate untruth, to Palin's advantage.

you willfully misinterpret what should be clear to someone with basic reading comprehension skills.  You want to parse words when you obviously knew I knew who I was talking about and am very familiar with his defection and inability to get re-elected as a democrat.

Bullshit.  We were discussing his defection, and you said the democratic party rejected him.  You lied about that.  You then stated that I got my information from Wonkett.  Link up, assmonkey.

as to it being second hand, well I guess whatever Sarah, Steele et. al. say about the division within the party must the the fucking TROOF.  

HEAR THAT, EVERYONE?  CREDIBLE LINKS DON'T COUNT.  ONLY UNVERIFIABLE ANECDOTES ARE EVIDENCE.

you're being dishonest and can yourself, fuck off.

Die in a fire.  Seriously.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also remember that local branches of the libertarian party are the very halls of power themselves.



TGRR,
Had forgotten, for a moment, that libertarians are just teabaggers with a full set of teeth.

[Thurnez Isa]

where you get that I'm somehow defending Sarah Palin is beyond me.  The fight might have been co-opted by the same religious rights from Fallwells "Moral Majority" but it wasn't started by them.

As someone who was actually on the ground, participating and pushing and supporting local libertarian candidates to precinct heads and local office during this time period, I'm giving you first hand information gleaned from conversations with many MANY people, not shit I read off of Wonket or wherever this crap about it being Sarah Palin's movement from the start got started.

National party politics took it over and are still trying to get it to conform to what they want it to be.  It started much smaller and with high hopes, however unrealistic once you get past the state level.

Christian Reconstructionists like James Dobson and Gary North have been fighting this for a long long time.
Gary North actually used to be on Ron Paul's chief of staff and Rand Paul in an interview after getting support from Dobson said..

"I'm a Christian. We go to the Presbyterian Church. My wife's a Deacon there and we've gone there ever since we came to town. I see that Christianity and values is the basis of our society.
98% of us won't murder people, won't steal, won't break the law and it helps a society to have that religious underpinning. You still need to have the laws but I think it helps to have a people who believe in law and order and who have a moral compass or a moral basis for their day to day life."

http://blogs.cbn.com/thebrodyfile/archive/2010/05/20/rand-paul-one-on-one-on-the-brody-file.aspx
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_North_%28Christian_Reconstructionist%29

[Disco Pickle]

As for Palin, she's a war hawk, and the battle within the party was begun by the antiwar, socially liberal, fiscally conservative libertarians.

Utter bullshit.  The battle was begun by the right wing fanatics when they lost the 2006 and 2008 elections.  They started tossing people out/throwing them under the bus based on ideological litmus tests.  They even drove Arlen Specter out of the party, and he's been there since Christ was a corporal.

you mean Arlin "Patriot Act signer, guy who added that provision that removed the 120 day limit on interim appointments by the Attorney General, also voted for the ARRA stimulus" Spector?  He quit the Republican party and was subsequently rejected by the Democrats.

I stand by what I said.  

Of course you do.  We can't run around holding Mrs Sarah responsible for her actions, or Steele for his.  It wouldn't be right.

And we're all stupid as fuck, and can't remember things that happened 2 years ago.

Spector quit because he was told he was insufficiently conservative, and his party was not only not going to help him in the primary, they were going to fund someone to run against him.

But why let a fact or two get in the way, when Mrs Palin's honor is at stake?

where the fuck is the sigh emoticon?

where you get that I'm somehow defending Sarah Palin is beyond me.  The fight might have been co-opted by the same religious rights from Fallwells "Moral Majority" but it wasn't started by them.

As someone who was actually on the ground, participating and pushing and supporting local libertarian candidates to precinct heads and local office during this time period, I'm giving you first hand information gleaned from conversations with many MANY people, not shit I read off of Wonket or wherever this crap about it being Sarah Palin's movement from the start got started.

National party politics took it over and are still trying to get it to conform to what they want it to be.  It started much smaller and with high hopes, however unrealistic once you get past the state level.

You're giving me unverifiable anecdotal SECOND HAND, hearsay bullshit, when I can just look at direct quotes from Steele, Palin, and Specter.

And link me to the post where I referenced Wonkett?  Thanks in advance...Until you provide such a link, take your strawman bullshit to someone who'll listen to it.

TGRR,
Has no time for the dishonest.

feel free to link me where I was clearly defending sarah palin.

First nested quote in this post.  You told a deliberate untruth, to Palin's advantage.

you willfully misinterpret what should be clear to someone with basic reading comprehension skills.  You want to parse words when you obviously knew I knew who I was talking about and am very familiar with his defection and inability to get re-elected as a democrat.

Bullshit.  We were discussing his defection, and you said the democratic party rejected him.  You lied about that.  You then stated that I got my information from Wonkett.  Link up, assmonkey.

as to it being second hand, well I guess whatever Sarah, Steele et. al. say about the division within the party must the the fucking TROOF.  

HEAR THAT, EVERYONE?  CREDIBLE LINKS DON'T COUNT.  ONLY UNVERIFIABLE ANECDOTES ARE EVIDENCE.

you're being dishonest and can yourself, fuck off.

Die in a fire.  Seriously.

you're the only one calling it an untruth, and if you actually read it, it gives no advantage AT ALL to Palin.  but you know, make your own interpretation.  It's allowed in discordia.

Yes we were discussing his defection.  Again, you're demanding exact words and when you don't get them you pitch a hissy fit and say someone is lying.  Even basic centextual comprehension could conclude I was talking about his failed re-election as a democrat, but that's fine to ignore as long as it allows you to get angry, selfritious and to reject everything said by a person.  That's how normal grownups behave all of the time in partisan politics.  You're in good company.

I clearly said "I read off of Wonkett" not you.  I don't know where you get your info.  Presumably it's from Palin's lips to your ears as the true truthy truth about the Republican party.

Feel free to go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Liberty

and since it's local to my area and relevant to the "discussion"

http://www.rlcfl.org/regions/rlcnef.html

or the offer to fuck off is still on the table.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yes we were discussing his defection.  Again, you're demanding exact words and when you don't get them you pitch a hissy fit and say someone is lying.  Even basic centextual comprehension could conclude I was talking about his failed re-election as a democrat, but that's fine to ignore as long as it allows you to get angry, selfritious and to reject everything said by a person.  That's how normal grownups behave all of the time in partisan politics.  You're in good company.

I said he was driven out of the GOP, and you said he left and was rejected by the democratic party.  I don't know how much clearer it has to be.

I clearly said "I read off of Wonkett" not you.  I don't know where you get your info.  Presumably it's from Palin's lips to your ears as the true truthy truth about the Republican party.

Actually, I posted a link, and I was prepared to post more as requested, but how can that compare to the whispers at the political juggernaut known as the libertarian party?

Feel free to go here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_for_Liberty

and since it's local to my area and relevant to the "discussion"

http://www.rlcfl.org/regions/rlcnef.html

or the offer to fuck off is still on the table.

Well, let's just see...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What's either one of those have to do with "The moderate republicans started the battle" against Palin, et al?

or 

[Disco Pickle]

What's either one of those have to do with "The moderate republicans started the battle" against Palin, et al?

or 

hard core fiscal conservatives can hardly be called moderate.  anti war republicans have been so off the bell curve since Bush 1 to be nearly non existant, or at least shouted down by the rest of the party. 

Palin wasn't even on the fucking national radar until after the Primary.  The division was evident before she was even chosen as McMain's running mate.

Michael Steele wasn't head until 2009.

both of those organizations were established in 2008.  That was only done after it was apparent they could garner large monetary support from small, individual donations.