Maddow interviews Jon Stewart

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What's either one of those have to do with "The moderate republicans started the battle" against Palin, et al?

or 

hard core fiscal conservatives can hardly be called moderate.  anti war republicans have been so off the bell curve since Bush 1 to be nearly non existant, or at least shouted down by the rest of the party. 

Palin wasn't even on the fucking national radar until after the Primary.  The division was evident before she was even chosen as McMain's running mate.

Michael Steele wasn't head until 2009.

both of those organizations were established in 2008.  That was only done after it was apparent they could garner large monetary support from small, individual donations.

And the Koch brothers, who basically financed the teabagger sites before the 2008 election.   

And the idea that Ron Paul has any pull at all in the republican party is laughable as hell.

[Disco Pickle]

What's either one of those have to do with "The moderate republicans started the battle" against Palin, et al?

or 

hard core fiscal conservatives can hardly be called moderate.  anti war republicans have been so off the bell curve since Bush 1 to be nearly non existant, or at least shouted down by the rest of the party. 

Palin wasn't even on the fucking national radar until after the Primary.  The division was evident before she was even chosen as McMain's running mate.

Michael Steele wasn't head until 2009.

both of those organizations were established in 2008.  That was only done after it was apparent they could garner large monetary support from small, individual donations.

And the Koch brothers, who basically financed the teabagger sites before the 2008 election.   

And the idea that Ron Paul has any pull at all in the republican party is laughable as hell.

feel free to link to a tea bagger site, financed by the Koch's, prior to 2008.

I'll be waiting patiently in some other thread.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What's either one of those have to do with "The moderate republicans started the battle" against Palin, et al?

or 

hard core fiscal conservatives can hardly be called moderate.  anti war republicans have been so off the bell curve since Bush 1 to be nearly non existant, or at least shouted down by the rest of the party. 

Palin wasn't even on the fucking national radar until after the Primary.  The division was evident before she was even chosen as McMain's running mate.

Michael Steele wasn't head until 2009.

both of those organizations were established in 2008.  That was only done after it was apparent they could garner large monetary support from small, individual donations.

And the Koch brothers, who basically financed the teabagger sites before the 2008 election.   

And the idea that Ron Paul has any pull at all in the republican party is laughable as hell.

feel free to link to a tea bagger site, financed by the Koch's, prior to 2008.

I'll be waiting patiently in some other thread.

First:

A
few weeks after the Lincoln Center gala, the advocacy wing of the Americans for Prosperity Foundation—an organization that David Koch started, in 2004—held a different kind of gathering. Over the July 4th weekend, a summit called Texas Defending the American Dream took place in a chilly hotel ballroom in Austin. Though Koch freely promotes his philanthropic ventures, he did not attend the summit, and his name was not in evidence. And on this occasion the audience was roused not by a dance performance but by a series of speakers denouncing President Barack Obama. Peggy Venable, the organizer of the summit, warned that Administration officials "have a socialist vision for this country."

Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. "Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests," it said. "But you can do something about it." The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders. The White House has expressed frustration that such sponsors have largely eluded public notice. David Axelrod, Obama's senior adviser, said, "What they don't say is that, in part, this is a grassroots citizens' movement brought to you by a bunch of oil billionaires."

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2010/08/30/100830fa_fact_mayer#ixzz15ZzjGGwZ

More on the way, hold tight.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

http://iowaindependent.com/41877/the-koch-brothers-and-the-tea-party-movement

The original concept the Koch Brothers had for the Tea Party Movement goes all the way back to 1980.  Imagine that.

[Thurnez Isa]

Roger beat me too it !!!

so
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/oct/13/tea-party-billionaire-koch-brothers

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And here ya go:

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Americans_for_Prosperity

I'll post more when I'm not behind the nannywall.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Where did he go?   

[Thurnez Isa]

he works

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Where did he go?  

I think he's, "waiting patiently in another thread."

[The Good Reverend Roger]

he works

Yeah?  Because he's still online, and he said he'd "be patiently waiting in another thread".

I suppose it's hard to see your religion die.

[Disco Pickle]

Yeah?  Because he's still online, and he said he'd "be patiently waiting in another thread".

I suppose it's hard to see your religion die.

I was in transit from work to home.  Im always logged in from home, the IP for posts varies if I'm at work.

yeah, Koch brothers were operating in the 80's, part of the libertarian party.  The party has always had hopes of getting a movement going.  Koch and his brother are major contributors.  

Im sure they donated to individual campaigns to the fullest extent the law allows, and used the same vehicles both the major 2 use to get around funding other areas that give voice.

The Koch's, while libertarian, are millionaires first by birth, second by being smart enough to hold onto it and knowing where to put it.  If they did bank roll websites with Tea Party association, (I have no doubt they did, and already knew the links you'd post.  I'm well aware who David Koch is.) then it was well before Sarah Palin or Michael Steele were even heard of nationally.  

The fact remains, the libertarian division I mentioned earlier began before Sarah and Michael and the sort who support their ilk took it over and began receiving the same source of funds.    

I suppose it's hard to see your religion die.

says the guy who knows so very fucking much about me from just 3 months worth of occasional posts.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

WTF?  Now you're saying they DID?

[Thurnez Isa]

they're small individual donors

[The Good Reverend Roger]

they're small individual donors

They made their dough in the astroturf biz.

[Disco Pickle]

WTF?  Now you're saying they DID?

I knew they did, and didn't deny it.  by helpfully pointing out that libertarians started the tea party movement before Palin et. al. were figure heads, you've proved my original point nicely.

they're small individual donors

individuals can only contribute so much to any campaign legally without establishing PACs and other sorts of nonsense that's used by the 2 parties to side step law.  I direct you to any of the single day money bombs during the primaries when the movement got its start.   Also before Palin was on the radar.

the average donation was around $20-50.

The Koch's bank roll websites, no doubt.  not in the scope of the original point of contention TGRR had, but helpful to point out that it happened before the hijacking by national level Republicans.

must eat dinner now, I'll come back in a bit.