Unlimited Wikileaks Shenanigans

[Adios]

My credit card information is most of my concern. I'm a boring little fish, after all. Though Charlie's information is certainly reassuring.

Safest way in the world to buy anything over the internet. I rarely ever trusted paypal.

[Juana]

I only started using it when I started using eBay, which I plan to discontinue because I hate that place. Otherwise, I buy from book sites and I'm not concerned about Amazon or Alibris stealing my information.

[the last yatto]

No but the cards are issued to banks/stores by serial number and both keep video.


Its how they caught the fast food prankster (tho that was phone cards, same idea)

[Juana]

*shrug* I'm a boring little fish. I went to a memorial for a trans girl who killed herself a few months ago and I trolled pro-lifers a few weeks ago. That's as exciting as I get. I'm not terribly concerned about getting tagged because I donated to wikileaks.

[the last yatto]

Also visa prepays don't do bank transfers, so how you plan on sending it... snail mail?

Little fish can get caught in nets just like big fish

Safest bet is probally another journalist

[Juana]

True, but little fish who get caught are generally hanging around with big fish and I'm not. They'd have to go out of their way to catch me and I suspect I'm not worth that effort.

If wikileaks goes under, then the probability of someone else having the balls to do what he's doing decreases, possibly considerably.

[Faust]

Idea for mass protest: Boycott Paypal until they allow wikileaks to use their services.

Why bother, they are obviously getting pressured, I doub't they had much choice in the decision.

Not having a choice is when you take things to court and lose.  Ebay and Amazon didn't do that.  Hell, Ebay claims they weren't pressured and did it before even being talked to by the government.  Even if they are being pressured they still have a choice.  Not one person who has caved to the government on this has said they were threatened, not one has said they saw a warrant or a judges order.

Paypal is a company that like any other protecting its interests, if it wants to distance itself from a client who is now wanted by the US government over something as volatile as this they will. They aren't entirely wrong ideologically either, they have employees interests to look after. And even if its not reported I sincerely doubt that there wasn't pressure placed on them.

[Requia ☣]

I find it highly unlikely that they were threatened with anything that would impact the employees.  I've never heard of the gov doing that in extrajudicial actions like this.  They may have threatened the execs with jail time (not unheard of), but typically the 'pressure' involved in things like this involves a a dollar sign and half a dozen zeros.

[the last yatto]

http://paypalsucks.com/

And I guess they have setup credit box
https://donations.datacell.com/

[the last yatto]

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2034276,00.html
As the shades of leaders long dead would surely say. For governments have been trying to keep their intentions secret since the Greeks left a horse stuffed with soldiers outside the gates of Troy, and they have been plagued by leaks of information for about as long. Some information really should be secret, and some leaks really do have consequences: the Civil War battle of Antietam might not have gone the way it did had Confederate General Robert E. Lee's orders not been found wrapped around cigars by Union troops a few days before. But in the past few years, governments have designated so much information secret that you wonder whether they intend the time of day to be classified. The number of new secrets designated as such by the U.S. government has risen 75%, from 105,163 in 1996 to 183,224 in 2009, according to the U.S. Information Security Oversight Office. At the same time, the number of documents and other communications created using those secrets has skyrocketed nearly 10 times, from 5,685,462 in 1996 to 54,651,765 in 2009. Not surprisingly, the number of people with access to that Everest of information has grown too. In 2008, the Government Accountability Office (GAO) found, the Pentagon alone gave clearances to some 630,000 people.

[Bruno]

[The Johnny]

Google cache says it is.

[The Johnny]

In Germany xPPP

[Cain]

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/04/dont-mention-the-cables-future-diplomats/?ref=world

"Columbia University's School of International and Public Affairs, which grooms future diplomats, has confirmed to The Lede that it did send an e-mail to students this week warning them to avoid posting comments online about the leaked diplomatic cables, if they ever hope to work for the State Department."

This is getting to be like the Soviet Union.  "Show no curiousity.  Deny reality.  Or else your job is on the line."

Of course, I wouldn't recommend working for the State Department in the first place, because its the Pentagon, the White House, the top banks and certain other multinationals who set most of the foreign policy agenda anyway.  Freelance consultant is a much better, and more profitable use of your time, you dont have to kowtow to government bullshit as much and you can teach when times are tough.  But it seems telling future diplomats that they should not be curious about diplomacy as currently practiced or foreign policy as it is actually produced, is, um....unproductive in the extreme.

Which will of course lead to a generation of lackluster diplomats if this is implemented, which will further degrade the State Dept's sway compared to the other named actors, which will....you get the idea.

[Adios]

In other words, if you ever want to be part of an international diplomacy group do not educate yourself equally with the rest of the world. LOL