Unlimited Wikileaks Shenanigans

[Requia ☣]

http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/12/06/16447046.html

Bookies are taking bets in a certain site about what will happen to Assange (i dont think theres assasination option do)

Assange makes me feel a bit better about the world.  At least until they get him.

I kindof wonder if he isn't planning to be got.  Taking him to prison won't stop Wikileaks, and the powers that be seem to be so focused on him that it might buy the rest of the crew another year or so of freedom while they figure that out.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

http://www.torontosun.com/news/world/2010/12/06/16447046.html

Bookies are taking bets in a certain site about what will happen to Assange (i dont think theres assasination option do)

Assange makes me feel a bit better about the world.  At least until they get him.

I kindof wonder if he isn't planning to be got.  Taking him to prison won't stop Wikileaks, and the powers that be seem to be so focused on him that it might buy the rest of the crew another year or so of freedom while they figure that out.

Yeah, the Mister Big Syndrome definitely applies here.

[Cramulus]

when it comes down to it, assange isn't even the target


Like you know a thousand /b/tards will all prank call the same phone number all day until the target goes completely berserk? And the reason they can get away with it is because of swarm logic... you can waste your resources going after the one /b/tard who you snagged with caller ID. You can even throw him in jail. But it does nothing to deter the swarm, which hides behind numbers and anonymity.

Assange represents a flaw in the system. In memetic terms, he's represents a feedback loop - some of the system's information has been purposely hidden in a way that it is not subject to external feedback. Assange just managed to dredge it up to the surface where it's subjected to the same mechanisms that are normally focused on public actions. They can kill Assange, but it won't stop the leak phenomenon. Just like how they can nuke the pirate bay, but it won't stop Internet piracy. He succeeded at creating an enduring structure which makes private information subject to public commentary. Now he's just the meat associated with it and is not in any way necessary for the process to continue. They can go ahead and kill him but another version of him will eventually rise to the top. The response to him must be a systemic response. Hopefully the response will be to operate in a more transparent way, to be aware that even private comments have a way of ending up on the internet, so maybe we should just play it clean.

[the last yatto]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270676204929

IM A BAD MAN

[Requia ☣]

Calling it now, sometime in 2011, Yatto will suddenly stop posting.   

[the last yatto]

just made a tiny url, so might even be 2010

http://tinyurl.com/support-wikileaks

[Iason Ouabache]

when it comes down to it, assange isn't even the target


Like you know a thousand /b/tards will all prank call the same phone number all day until the target goes completely berserk? And the reason they can get away with it is because of swarm logic... you can waste your resources going after the one /b/tard who you snagged with caller ID. You can even throw him in jail. But it does nothing to deter the swarm, which hides behind numbers and anonymity.

Assange represents a flaw in the system. In memetic terms, he's represents a feedback loop - some of the system's information has been purposely hidden in a way that it is not subject to external feedback. Assange just managed to dredge it up to the surface where it's subjected to the same mechanisms that are normally focused on public actions. They can kill Assange, but it won't stop the leak phenomenon. Just like how they can nuke the pirate bay, but it won't stop Internet piracy. He succeeded at creating an enduring structure which makes private information subject to public commentary. Now he's just the meat associated with it and is not in any way necessary for the process to continue. They can go ahead and kill him but another version of him will eventually rise to the top. The response to him must be a systemic response. Hopefully the response will be to operate in a more transparent way, to be aware that even private comments have a way of ending up on the internet, so maybe we should just play it clean.

This is one of the reasons that I Assange will be assassinated. If he dies he becomes a martyr for several generations of hackers willing to storm the castles. You can kill the man but you can't kill the idea.

Plus the insurance fill is a brilliant Dead Man's Switch. We have no idea what is on the file, but I'm willing to bet that any organization that would want him dead knows what it is and is keeping him alive so the key doesn't get out.

[Cain]

Guardian reported today that the insurance file included documents relating to the economic crisis, the Gulf Oil spill and Guantanamo Bay, among other topics.

[Iason Ouabache]

Guardian reported today that the insurance file included documents relating to the economic crisis, the Gulf Oil spill and Guantanamo Bay, among other topics.

Nice! I thought that they were going to release some documents on the economic crisis separately early next year.

[Cain]

They are.  I suspect these documents are more incriminating than the ones slated for release.

And I just know someone, either here or in the press, is going to go "waaaaah, he should release everything, information wants to be free, man."  Well, yeah, but so does Assange.

Rule 1 of fucking on this level: make sure you have serious protection.  You have to be more of a problem dead than alive, and no-one else is going to watch your back for you.

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

Guardian reported today that the insurance file included documents relating to the economic crisis, the Gulf Oil spill and Guantanamo Bay, among other topics.

Nice! I thought that they were going to release some documents on the economic crisis separately early next year.

Not exactly. They said theyre going to release some incriminating documents on one of the major banks around mid January.

[Cain]

Guardian reported today that the insurance file included documents relating to the economic crisis, the Gulf Oil spill and Guantanamo Bay, among other topics.

Nice! I thought that they were going to release some documents on the economic crisis separately early next year.

Not exactly. They said theyre going to release some incriminating documents on one of the major banks around mid January.

Incriminating documents...revealing actions taken in relation to the economic crisis?

FFS.

[Jasper]

But I thought we knew there was illegal torturing going on, criminal negligence on the Deepwater Horizon, and that the economic crisis was an affair of blatant thievery.  I mean, was that up for debate?

[Cain]

But I thought we knew there was illegal torturing going on, criminal negligence on the Deepwater Horizon, and that the economic crisis was an affair of blatant thievery.  I mean, was that up for debate?

Apparently.  Torture is only a crime when smudgy brown people do it. Deepwater happened because of excessive government regulation and the economic crisis was caused by socialists, whom the banks are heroically defeating by making their profits as big as possible, through any means.

Also said documents may, if they are indeed part of the insurance file, be of sufficient quality to be presented to the ICC in order to start criminal proceedings and cause many US and European officials and CEOs to have problems holidaying in Belgium.

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

My favorite leak by far has to be:

http://213.251.145.96/cable/2009/01/09BEIJING22.html

Its all about the future of Chinese and US relations. Its a lot more optimistic than I expected.