Italy to ban plastic bags

[Disco Pickle]

The funny thing is that I smoke and I think the rest of you smokers are wah-wah babypants.

yeah, it doesn't bother me to go outside.

I don't even smoke in my home out of consideration for the cat.

[Epimetheus]

Other than looking cool and addiction, why smoke tobacco?
I want answers since I don't smoke (much, and when I have there was nothing special about it).
I've been told it's calming/relaxing, but it seems to me that would be an effect of being addicted, yeah?

[Disco Pickle]

Other than looking cool and addiction, why smoke tobacco?
I want answers since I don't smoke (much, and when I have there was nothing special about it).
I've been told it's calming/relaxing, but it seems to me that would be an effect of being addicted, yeah?

addiction is my primary reason.  It damn sure isn't the taste.

also, I have an excuse to get up from in front of this monitor every hour and a half and give my eyes a break.  I suppose I could do something else with that time, like walk around the building, and when I do finally say fuck it and quit, that's probably what I'll do.

It's a muthafucker of a drug to kick and a plague on my wallet.  Wont stop me from having one on the way home though.   

[Fujikoma]

For some, it provides much needed dopamine. It can slightly enhance alertness and focus, but that might only be if you're scatterbrained all the time like I am. My personal reason for smoking? It keeps the weird, pulsating, noisy acid blobs out of my mind.

[BabylonHoruv]

Without some kind of smoking ban, it would be highly unlikely I would ever be in a bar.  Along with every other asthmatic who has severe allergic reactions to cigarette smoke (breathing becoming difficult, wheezing etc).

I also note no-one is touching this with a barge pole.

I read it. I kinda hinted at it with why can't there be both smoking and non-smoking places? It is well known smoking affects people with asthma badly.

Yeah, kind of my take on the matter too... I don't really want to get into it, my cousin is asthmatic... I often go places that don't allow smoking, I'm just saying, making it a matter of law takes the policy out of the hands of the business owner, who likely knows what kinds of customers frequent their place of business. Maybe they could hang a big, nasty lung banner outside their place of business if they allow smoking inside?

When you're talking about an activity that infringes on another person's body, I think that making a law against it is reasonable. I also think that there should be a provision for smoking establishments. Perhaps in order to get a permit that allows smoking inside, they should have to be also a tobacco seller; there is such a provision in Oregon, but no one seems to be jumping on that bandwagon.

We have that in Ohio.  It's mostly been taken advantage of by hookah bars.

A business has to derive the majority of it's income from tobacco sales to allow indoor smoking though.

[BabylonHoruv]

It's not like anyone who smokes always h as to stand 50 feet from the door outside. They only have to do that when they decide they want to have a smoke.

Wait, you have to stand 50 feet away from the entrance of a pub if you want to go outside and smoke in the USA?

That's retarded.

I mean, second hand smoke hazard when you're in a pub with lots of smokers, fine, but accidentally catching a whiff of smoke when you leave the bar is not going to harm anyone. That's really just needless fuckery. Probably thought up by people that merely dislike the smell. Which I think is only a valid argument in a restaurant, but you aren't allowed to smoke there anyway. Sure, they shouldn't clog up the entrance, but that's common sense, and if that happens, you make rules against that (a very simple rule like: Don't Clog Up The Entrance).

we should ban using your cellphone in your car while driving too.  That shit's dangerous to the rest of us who don't do it.

That actually is happening already in some states.  Most other states regulate it under distracted driving laws.  And I actually think that's a pretty good idea.  That shit can kill people just as dead as driving under the influence.  

Already illegal over here. Except the problem is, they're doing it wrong. Turns out driving is not more dangerous cause you hold a cell in one hand, but because you're being distracted by the conversation, and unlike somebody talking to you from a passenger's seat, the person on the other end of the phone can't tell if you need to pay attention to a busy intersection. Meaning that, yes, calling hands-free is almost just as dangerous.

... though texting while driving is worse oh Cram already said this. Except it's crazy they needed research for that. I mean it stands to reason you're being stupidly dangerous if you have to take your eyes off the road. Fuck, I even bump into things and people if I text while walking.

Ten feet in Portland. 50 feet is clearly hyperbole and exaggeration.

Cell phone use while driving is illegal in Oregon. Rightfully so.

I think it is 50 feet in Washington.  I know it is far enough that it is actually illegal to smoke outdoors in the city of Seattle without standing in the middle of the street (since it is also prohibited in the parks there)

[BabylonHoruv]

Other than looking cool and addiction, why smoke tobacco?
I want answers since I don't smoke (much, and when I have there was nothing special about it).
I've been told it's calming/relaxing, but it seems to me that would be an effect of being addicted, yeah?

I smoke about once a day or slightly less.  If I combine a cigarette with a coffee I get a really nice euphoric feeling and I also get a burst of creative inspiration.  Without the coffee I just get nauseous.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's not like anyone who smokes always h as to stand 50 feet from the door outside. They only have to do that when they decide they want to have a smoke.

Wait, you have to stand 50 feet away from the entrance of a pub if you want to go outside and smoke in the USA?

That's retarded.

I mean, second hand smoke hazard when you're in a pub with lots of smokers, fine, but accidentally catching a whiff of smoke when you leave the bar is not going to harm anyone. That's really just needless fuckery. Probably thought up by people that merely dislike the smell. Which I think is only a valid argument in a restaurant, but you aren't allowed to smoke there anyway. Sure, they shouldn't clog up the entrance, but that's common sense, and if that happens, you make rules against that (a very simple rule like: Don't Clog Up The Entrance).

we should ban using your cellphone in your car while driving too.  That shit's dangerous to the rest of us who don't do it.

That actually is happening already in some states.  Most other states regulate it under distracted driving laws.  And I actually think that's a pretty good idea.  That shit can kill people just as dead as driving under the influence.  

Already illegal over here. Except the problem is, they're doing it wrong. Turns out driving is not more dangerous cause you hold a cell in one hand, but because you're being distracted by the conversation, and unlike somebody talking to you from a passenger's seat, the person on the other end of the phone can't tell if you need to pay attention to a busy intersection. Meaning that, yes, calling hands-free is almost just as dangerous.

... though texting while driving is worse oh Cram already said this. Except it's crazy they needed research for that. I mean it stands to reason you're being stupidly dangerous if you have to take your eyes off the road. Fuck, I even bump into things and people if I text while walking.

Ten feet in Portland. 50 feet is clearly hyperbole and exaggeration.

Cell phone use while driving is illegal in Oregon. Rightfully so.

I think it is 50 feet in Washington.  I know it is far enough that it is actually illegal to smoke outdoors in the city of Seattle without standing in the middle of the street (since it is also prohibited in the parks there)

It's 25 feet in WA.

[Adios]

It basically comes down to this:

Both a smoker and a non-smoker can go out and have a good time without in any way interferring with each other's ability to have a good time.  However, as soon as a smoker lights up, it becomes necessary for me to leave.  If they don't have a smoke, it is not going to kill them, though if they haven't smoked in a while, it will become deeply unpleasant after a while.  On the other hand, people can die from asthma attacks (I probably wouldn't, in fact I am almost entirely recovered from asthma, but cigarette smoke is one of my allergens, which provokes the attack).  A smoker, in doing that, is asserting their right to smoke overrules my right to go out.

If we were out having drinks I would respect your condition and go away from you to smoke. Maybe I am just weird.

Maybe he should wear a banner and have a bell-ringing boy make announcements at the bar so that everyone has the chance to be so considerate.

Not to be reasonable or anything, but he could just tell me as well. WTF?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It basically comes down to this:

Both a smoker and a non-smoker can go out and have a good time without in any way interferring with each other's ability to have a good time.  However, as soon as a smoker lights up, it becomes necessary for me to leave.  If they don't have a smoke, it is not going to kill them, though if they haven't smoked in a while, it will become deeply unpleasant after a while.  On the other hand, people can die from asthma attacks (I probably wouldn't, in fact I am almost entirely recovered from asthma, but cigarette smoke is one of my allergens, which provokes the attack).  A smoker, in doing that, is asserting their right to smoke overrules my right to go out.

If we were out having drinks I would respect your condition and go away from you to smoke. Maybe I am just weird.

Maybe he should wear a banner and have a bell-ringing boy make announcements at the bar so that everyone has the chance to be so considerate.

Not to be reasonable or anything, but he could just tell me as well. WTF?

Oh, I get it... and then you'll make the announcement to all the other patrons, so they won't smoke in the bar while he's there.

[Adios]

It's not like anyone who smokes always h as to stand 50 feet from the door outside. They only have to do that when they decide they want to have a smoke.

Wait, you have to stand 50 feet away from the entrance of a pub if you want to go outside and smoke in the USA?

That's retarded.

I mean, second hand smoke hazard when you're in a pub with lots of smokers, fine, but accidentally catching a whiff of smoke when you leave the bar is not going to harm anyone. That's really just needless fuckery. Probably thought up by people that merely dislike the smell. Which I think is only a valid argument in a restaurant, but you aren't allowed to smoke there anyway. Sure, they shouldn't clog up the entrance, but that's common sense, and if that happens, you make rules against that (a very simple rule like: Don't Clog Up The Entrance).

we should ban using your cellphone in your car while driving too.  That shit's dangerous to the rest of us who don't do it.

That actually is happening already in some states.  Most other states regulate it under distracted driving laws.  And I actually think that's a pretty good idea.  That shit can kill people just as dead as driving under the influence.  

Already illegal over here. Except the problem is, they're doing it wrong. Turns out driving is not more dangerous cause you hold a cell in one hand, but because you're being distracted by the conversation, and unlike somebody talking to you from a passenger's seat, the person on the other end of the phone can't tell if you need to pay attention to a busy intersection. Meaning that, yes, calling hands-free is almost just as dangerous.

... though texting while driving is worse oh Cram already said this. Except it's crazy they needed research for that. I mean it stands to reason you're being stupidly dangerous if you have to take your eyes off the road. Fuck, I even bump into things and people if I text while walking.

Ten feet in Portland. 50 feet is clearly hyperbole and exaggeration.

Cell phone use while driving is illegal in Oregon. Rightfully so.

I have no idea why you are being so rude, but go fuck yourself.

[Epimetheus]

It's not like anyone who smokes always h as to stand 50 feet from the door outside. They only have to do that when they decide they want to have a smoke.

Wait, you have to stand 50 feet away from the entrance of a pub if you want to go outside and smoke in the USA?

That's retarded.

I mean, second hand smoke hazard when you're in a pub with lots of smokers, fine, but accidentally catching a whiff of smoke when you leave the bar is not going to harm anyone. That's really just needless fuckery. Probably thought up by people that merely dislike the smell. Which I think is only a valid argument in a restaurant, but you aren't allowed to smoke there anyway. Sure, they shouldn't clog up the entrance, but that's common sense, and if that happens, you make rules against that (a very simple rule like: Don't Clog Up The Entrance).

we should ban using your cellphone in your car while driving too.  That shit's dangerous to the rest of us who don't do it.

That actually is happening already in some states.  Most other states regulate it under distracted driving laws.  And I actually think that's a pretty good idea.  That shit can kill people just as dead as driving under the influence.  

Already illegal over here. Except the problem is, they're doing it wrong. Turns out driving is not more dangerous cause you hold a cell in one hand, but because you're being distracted by the conversation, and unlike somebody talking to you from a passenger's seat, the person on the other end of the phone can't tell if you need to pay attention to a busy intersection. Meaning that, yes, calling hands-free is almost just as dangerous.

... though texting while driving is worse oh Cram already said this. Except it's crazy they needed research for that. I mean it stands to reason you're being stupidly dangerous if you have to take your eyes off the road. Fuck, I even bump into things and people if I text while walking.

Ten feet in Portland. 50 feet is clearly hyperbole and exaggeration.

Cell phone use while driving is illegal in Oregon. Rightfully so.

I have no idea why you are being so rude, but go fuck yourself.

Rude about what? Maybe it's 'cause I'm on her side but I see no rudeness...

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I'm not, in fact, being any ruder than people who think that not being allowed to smoke in bars makes them an oppressed minority. 

Read your own posts. Are you the only person allowed to be an abrasive old fuck? I think not.

[Adios]

It's not like anyone who smokes always h as to stand 50 feet from the door outside. They only have to do that when they decide they want to have a smoke.

Wait, you have to stand 50 feet away from the entrance of a pub if you want to go outside and smoke in the USA?

That's retarded.

I mean, second hand smoke hazard when you're in a pub with lots of smokers, fine, but accidentally catching a whiff of smoke when you leave the bar is not going to harm anyone. That's really just needless fuckery. Probably thought up by people that merely dislike the smell. Which I think is only a valid argument in a restaurant, but you aren't allowed to smoke there anyway. Sure, they shouldn't clog up the entrance, but that's common sense, and if that happens, you make rules against that (a very simple rule like: Don't Clog Up The Entrance).

we should ban using your cellphone in your car while driving too.  That shit's dangerous to the rest of us who don't do it.

That actually is happening already in some states.  Most other states regulate it under distracted driving laws.  And I actually think that's a pretty good idea.  That shit can kill people just as dead as driving under the influence.  

Already illegal over here. Except the problem is, they're doing it wrong. Turns out driving is not more dangerous cause you hold a cell in one hand, but because you're being distracted by the conversation, and unlike somebody talking to you from a passenger's seat, the person on the other end of the phone can't tell if you need to pay attention to a busy intersection. Meaning that, yes, calling hands-free is almost just as dangerous.

... though texting while driving is worse oh Cram already said this. Except it's crazy they needed research for that. I mean it stands to reason you're being stupidly dangerous if you have to take your eyes off the road. Fuck, I even bump into things and people if I text while walking.

Ten feet in Portland. 50 feet is clearly hyperbole and exaggeration.

Cell phone use while driving is illegal in Oregon. Rightfully so.

I have no idea why you are being so rude, but go fuck yourself.

Rude about what? Maybe it's 'cause I'm on her side but I see no rudeness...

Oh, I get it... and then you'll make the announcement to all the other patrons, so they won't smoke in the bar while he's there.

50 feet is clearly hyperbole and exaggeration.



There are a couple of others as well, one about waah, etc,.

I just don't understand why she has to resort to that bullshit with me.

[Adios]

I'm not, in fact, being any ruder than people who think that not being allowed to smoke in bars makes them an oppressed minority. 

Read your own posts. Are you the only person allowed to be an abrasive old fuck? I think not.

We're done here. I don't need your abrasive shit today.