Italy to ban plastic bags

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Seriously. This thread cannot begin to contain my contempt for people who whine about being oppressed because they aren't allowed to publicly impose their unhealthy, addictive, expensive luxury pastime on others.

Stop hating America™.  Seriously.  This IS America, dammit, and it's high time we FORCED you to eat loads of red meat and junk food.  You smug, holier-than-thou hippie-type-pinko-fag patchouli-huffers are in for it now!  Sarah Palin could snap your limp wrists just by flexing her womb.

TGRR,
Prepared for the new paradigm.

Look at this shit. This is fucking quality. This thread was going places. But the army of would-be punsters smothered it with facile and unfunny wordplay before it even had a chance. 

One last try.

I have no interest in forcing myself or my habits on anyone. I thought the open option of both smoking and non-smoking bar and grills was reasonable. No one would be forced to work in a smoking establishment. No one would be forced to patronize one.

The Little Apple Grill was one of my favorite places here. They had great single malt and mighty fine cigars for sale, it was one of their marketing ploys. Their eating space (except the bar area) was all non-smoking and they had smoke eaters in the bar to prevent drifting smoke. The restaurant and bar were always full.

No one forced their will or habit on each other. It worked. When smokers drink, they smoke. It's a vice, one I enjoy.

[Cramulus]

A buddy of mine said he went to a bar in California that solved the problem by cutting a big hole in the ceiling. The people sitting under the hole are "outside" and can smoke legally.

[AFK]

Eh, it's my fault, though I must say it was unintentional.  I was simply having a go at BH, I didn't expect it, nor intended it, to snowball.  

I would also like to point out to the newer folk that if I throw out a pun, it isn't with the intention of everyone else following suit and turning the thread into a pun thread.  It's just part of my style and who I am.  

Apologies to all for the shenanigans that broke lose.  

[AFK]

A buddy of mine said he went to a bar in California that solved the problem by cutting a big hole in the ceiling. The people sitting under the hole are "outside" and can smoke legally.

The state ok'd that? 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

A buddy of mine said he went to a bar in California that solved the problem by cutting a big hole in the ceiling. The people sitting under the hole are "outside" and can smoke legally.

That's more or less what most bars here do. They have nice little walled-in patios with heaters. It's nice to sit outside.

It's basically not a problem for anyone, and now it's nicer inside because no amount of fans and other machinery actually eliminates that grotesque "indoor smoking" odor or the vile clampdown on one's lungs that accompanies it. Even as someone who smokes, I really only want to be smoking WHILE I'm smoking.

[Fujikoma]

Seriously. This thread cannot begin to contain my contempt for people who whine about being oppressed because they aren't allowed to publicly impose their unhealthy, addictive, expensive luxury pastime on others.

Stop hating America™.  Seriously.  This IS America, dammit, and it's high time we FORCED you to eat loads of red meat and junk food.  You smug, holier-than-thou hippie-type-pinko-fag patchouli-huffers are in for it now!  Sarah Palin could snap your limp wrists just by flexing her womb.

TGRR,
Prepared for the new paradigm.

Look at this shit. This is fucking quality. This thread was going places. But the army of would-be punsters smothered it with facile and unfunny wordplay before it even had a chance.  

Thanks.  I won't be bothering again, outside of my 5-part series threads.

Roger, please don't do this. I look forward to reading your comments (as well as your rants). Not that anyone cares much how I feel on the matter, but it will make my experience here much less enjoyable.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Eh, it's my fault, though I must say it was unintentional.  I was simply having a go at BH, I didn't expect it, nor intended it, to snowball.  

I would also like to point out to the newer folk that if I throw out a pun, it isn't with the intention of everyone else following suit and turning the thread into a pun thread.  It's just part of my style and who I am.  

Apologies to all for the shenanigans that broke lose.  

YOUR punning is tolerated (mostly) because you are good at it, it's part of your personality, and we love you. Richter can get away with in once in a while for the same reason minus the good at it.

EVERYONE ELSE needs to fucking knock it off or at least keep it in their own threads. Especially the new people.

[Adios]

A buddy of mine said he went to a bar in California that solved the problem by cutting a big hole in the ceiling. The people sitting under the hole are "outside" and can smoke legally.

That's more or less what most bars here do. They have nice little walled-in patios with heaters. It's nice to sit outside.

It's basically not a problem for anyone, and now it's nicer inside because no amount of fans and other machinery actually eliminates that grotesque "indoor smoking" odor or the vile clampdown on one's lungs that accompanies it. Even as someone who smokes, I really only want to be smoking WHILE I'm smoking.

I disagree. If smoke eaters are plentiful enough they are very effective and they were being improved constantly. Return air venting was also effective. I never heard even one complaint in The Little Apple.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

A buddy of mine said he went to a bar in California that solved the problem by cutting a big hole in the ceiling. The people sitting under the hole are "outside" and can smoke legally.

That's more or less what most bars here do. They have nice little walled-in patios with heaters. It's nice to sit outside.

It's basically not a problem for anyone, and now it's nicer inside because no amount of fans and other machinery actually eliminates that grotesque "indoor smoking" odor or the vile clampdown on one's lungs that accompanies it. Even as someone who smokes, I really only want to be smoking WHILE I'm smoking.

That's one reason I like the meetrack in the spring and fall.  The smoking patio is the nicest part of the place.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

A buddy of mine said he went to a bar in California that solved the problem by cutting a big hole in the ceiling. The people sitting under the hole are "outside" and can smoke legally.

That's more or less what most bars here do. They have nice little walled-in patios with heaters. It's nice to sit outside.

It's basically not a problem for anyone, and now it's nicer inside because no amount of fans and other machinery actually eliminates that grotesque "indoor smoking" odor or the vile clampdown on one's lungs that accompanies it. Even as someone who smokes, I really only want to be smoking WHILE I'm smoking.

I disagree. If smoke eaters are plentiful enough they are very effective and they were being improved constantly. Return air venting was also effective. I never heard even one complaint in The Little Apple.

Every bar owner I know complains that they're 1. extremely expensive, 2. inadequate, and 3. prone to breaking.

Also, people who smoke don't notice the smoke they miss. People who don't smoke do.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

A buddy of mine said he went to a bar in California that solved the problem by cutting a big hole in the ceiling. The people sitting under the hole are "outside" and can smoke legally.

That's more or less what most bars here do. They have nice little walled-in patios with heaters. It's nice to sit outside.

It's basically not a problem for anyone, and now it's nicer inside because no amount of fans and other machinery actually eliminates that grotesque "indoor smoking" odor or the vile clampdown on one's lungs that accompanies it. Even as someone who smokes, I really only want to be smoking WHILE I'm smoking.

That's one reason I like the meetrack in the spring and fall.  The smoking patio is the nicest part of the place.

I have to agree, the outside of that place is MUCH nicer than the inside. 

[Epimetheus]

I did pun, but I also contributed to the discussion.

To review, I said I'd be fine with smoking being forbidden in public except at official smoking locations.
I also asked what the big deal is with smoking besides being addicted to it (getting your fix). My reason for asking this is: If something has no legitimate benefits, and harms people who don't partake, why be allowed to do it in public?

[hooplala]

It was funny for the first 30 or so conversations it murdered.

No it wasn't.

[Adios]

A buddy of mine said he went to a bar in California that solved the problem by cutting a big hole in the ceiling. The people sitting under the hole are "outside" and can smoke legally.

That's more or less what most bars here do. They have nice little walled-in patios with heaters. It's nice to sit outside.

It's basically not a problem for anyone, and now it's nicer inside because no amount of fans and other machinery actually eliminates that grotesque "indoor smoking" odor or the vile clampdown on one's lungs that accompanies it. Even as someone who smokes, I really only want to be smoking WHILE I'm smoking.

I disagree. If smoke eaters are plentiful enough they are very effective and they were being improved constantly. Return air venting was also effective. I never heard even one complaint in The Little Apple.

Every bar owner I know complains that they're 1. extremely expensive, 2. inadequate, and 3. prone to breaking.

Also, people who smoke don't notice the smoke they miss. People who don't smoke do.

I will agree only on the expensive part. Still, if a large part of your business involves selling top quality cigars and alcohol, it becomes a business investment. The place has an outside patio, but the winter wind here hurts. His business is off quite a bit. The bar was set up to where it wasn't required for all patrons to walk through it to get to the dining area, a failure of a lot of places. The owners petitioned against the law, as did most bar owners.

[Adios]

I did pun, but I also contributed to the discussion.

To review, I said I'd be fine with smoking being forbidden in public except at official smoking locations.
I also asked what the big deal is with smoking besides being addicted to it (getting your fix). My reason for asking this is: If something has no legitimate benefits, and harms people who don't partake, why be allowed to do it in public?

Eliminate the income and jobs created by the tobacco industry and then repeat the part about legitimate benefits please.