Italy to ban plastic bags

[AFK]

I'm going to wager that someone who skydives for a living probably has to pay higher insurance premiums as well.  I bet the guy that has to change light bulbs on top of the Space Needle in Seattle has a higher insurance premium than your average joe.  Is that discrimination?

When you live a lifestyle that is prone to more health issues compared to the average person, then yeah, you are going to pay a higher insurance premium compared to the average person because you are a bigger risk to the insurance company compared to the average person.  That's not part of some scheme on the part of the insurance companies to get you to quit smoking.  They don't give a fuck.  They're just, financially, covering their asses.  

[Epimetheus]

In short, a range of legal, financial and health incentives are pressuring smokers to quit.

OH NO! There are incentives for ending an addiction?

Pressure = incentive? What fucking planet are you from, exactly?

Look again at the quote, sir. It says incentives right there.

[Adios]

In short, a range of legal, financial and health incentives are pressuring smokers to quit.

OH NO! There are incentives for ending an addiction?

Pressure = incentive? What fucking planet are you from, exactly?

Look again at the quote, sir. It says incentives right there.

Check. Because that word came first it negates the word pressures.

[LMNO]

It's a matter of perspective.

Company offers financial incentives to quit.

Smokers expreience the negative financial outcomes, and feel it as pressure.

[Adios]

It's a matter of perspective.

Company offers financial incentives to quit.

Smokers expreience the negative financial outcomes, and feel it as pressure.

Hawk,
out.

[LMNO]

Hold on a second.  Cancer is fucking expensive to treat.

If you do something that increases your risk of cancer, why the hell wouldn't an insurance company take that into consideration when planning your rates?

As long as families with a history of cancer, smoking or non-smoking, get to have the same fun.

Surprise, they do.  Medical history checks are quite common in the insurance biz.

[LMNO]

It's a matter of perspective.

Company offers financial incentives to quit.

Smokers expreience the negative financial outcomes, and feel it as pressure.

Hawk,
out.

Too much semantics for ya?

[Epimetheus]

In short, a range of legal, financial and health incentives are pressuring smokers to quit.

OH NO! There are incentives for ending an addiction?

Pressure = incentive? What fucking planet are you from, exactly?

Look again at the quote, sir. It says incentives right there.

Check. Because that word came first it negates the word pressures.

1) Who gives a fuck the specific word used in the article?
2) Actually incentive DOES = pressure. I have to agree with LMNO, here.

[hooplala]

I have to say, this thread has given me a lot to think about, and has done a lot to change my mind on my original position.  I'm not totally there yet, I still thinking checking houses for how much smoke they once had in them is batshit insane, but y'all do make a good point about smoking being an option, and a luxury... which I obviously knew, but, well... hell, it just seemed so restrictive and I hate restrictions.

I'm still not sure I buy second hand smoke completely either as dangerous, but am starting to see the points.  Though, not in open air public, that still seems insane to me too.

Anyway, I guess I just wanted to say that this thread has mostly converted at least one person to change their mind.  Mostly.

[AFK]

I have to say, this thread has given me a lot to think about, and has done a lot to change my mind on my original position.  I'm not totally there yet, I still thinking checking houses for how much smoke they once had in them is batshit insane, but y'all do make a good point about smoking being an option, and a luxury... which I obviously knew, but, well... hell, it just seemed so restrictive and I hate restrictions.

I'm still not sure I buy second hand smoke completely either as dangerous, but am starting to see the points.  Though, not in open air public, that still seems insane to me too.

Anyway, I guess I just wanted to say that this thread has mostly converted at least one person to change their mind.  Mostly.

Just to be very clear, when I talk about checking out houses I put that burden on the family looking at the houses.  So the family with someone hyper-allergic to peanuts, THEY are bearing the burden of the cost to have that checked out.  Not the government or the person selling the house (unless the person selling the house agrees to it willingly)  I would not suggest the government do anything beyond making the information available to the public.  Much like the government issues information about lead, mercury, etc., etc.  Obviously it would then be up to the individual whether or not they go to those lengths to check prospective homes. 

And it doesn't' even have to be the government that issues the information.  Health promotion agencies and organizations will usually take care of that anyway. 

[hooplala]

Yeah, I didn't think you meant for Big Brother to stick his nose in.

[Epimetheus]

Zappa denied the harm of second hand smoke in his book. I do wonder what he would think given the amount of knowledge about it today.

[LMNO]

Probably write a dumb song about it.

[Epimetheus]

Probably write a dumb song about it.

[East Coast Hustle]

I did pun, but I also contributed to the discussion.

To review, I said I'd be fine with smoking being forbidden in public except at official smoking locations.
I also asked what the big deal is with smoking besides being addicted to it (getting your fix). My reason for asking this is: If something has no legitimate benefits, and harms people who don't partake, why be allowed to do it in public?

Eliminate the income and jobs created by the tobacco industry and then repeat the part about legitimate benefits please.

OTOH, if tobacco was made completely illegal, it would create much more income.

Which is why I've spent years hoping they would just outlaw that shit completely. I wanna be a black-market smoke dealer.