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Started by Icey, January 31, 2011, 05:04:09 PM

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#90
January 31, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 31, 2011, 08:06:13 PM
Quote from: Icey on January 31, 2011, 07:54:43 PM
Possible. Of course, the current laws of physics don't allow it. But, the previous laws of physics didn't allow a lot of things that are commonplace now.

I'm quite sure you're mistaken.  The physical laws explain and predict the observed behavior of the universe.  The universe didn't change when we discovered new laws. 

QuoteWe place too much faith in science. Every time we create a theory that fixes the one problem the last one had, we think it's complete, and hail it as "truth"

No, "we" don't.   Complete idiots do, however.  Also,

Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 31, 2011, 07:56:43 PM
There are no previous laws of physics.

Good point.

Quote from: Icey on January 31, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
Well, chaos magic is based on incompleteness of knowledge. So, when you say, physics says that the sun will die, it's just a matter of time, I'll agree with you from a realistic standpoint. But, from a "possible" standpoint, we don't truly understand what is possible because we don't truly understand the universe. So, by that token, anything is possible.

"Semantic Wankery" does not explain what is needed to affect prior causality.  Please try again.

Prior causality can be subtly altered by will.

I'll save you the trouble, it sounds like bullshit.

LMNO

#91
January 31, 2011, 08:11:28 PM
Examples, please.

Slyph

#92
January 31, 2011, 08:14:36 PM
Here's a law for you. Idiots will always find more excuses explaining why they can magically effect the universe using their mind as scientists can find explanations for natural phenomena and psychiatrists and statisticians can find common ground on reasons people regress into logical fallacy.

Your mental software is a property of the material arrangement that is your brain. If you believe anything contra fucking materialism you're as dumb as somebody turning their laptop upside down and trying to shake the letters out. Just sayin.

Don Coyote

#93
January 31, 2011, 08:16:58 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 31, 2011, 08:14:36 PM

you're as dumb as somebody turning their laptop upside down and trying to shake the letters out. Just sayin.

But that is how I make alphabet soup.

Slyph

#94
January 31, 2011, 08:17:41 PM
b-b-but how can you really know anything man.

Slyph

#95
January 31, 2011, 08:22:43 PM
My magick is different because I knocked the K off the end and rationalised it with a load of words I cribbed from quantum theory.

see: http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/the-amazing-qlink-science-pedant/

Oh yeah I hate those idiots who believe they can shoot fireballs out of their hands. I can only subtly defy the laws of physics in a way that is fucking invisible and only I know about. Do you think I'm some sort of idiot?

Don Coyote

#96
January 31, 2011, 08:23:47 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 31, 2011, 08:22:43 PM
My magick is different because I knocked the K off the end and rationalised it with a load of words I cribbed from quantum theory.

see: http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/the-amazing-qlink-science-pedant/

Oh yeah I hate those idiots who believe they can shoot fireballs out of their hands. I can only subtly defy the laws of physics in a way that is fucking invisible and only I know about. Do you think I'm some sort of idiot?



Hey man, I can like cut guns in half with my mind and I have a pet dragon.

The Good Reverend Roger

#97
January 31, 2011, 08:24:52 PM
Quote from: Icey on January 31, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
Well, chaos magic is based on incompleteness of knowledge.

So is Southern Baptism.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#98
January 31, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
Quote from: Icey on January 31, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
Prior causality can be subtly altered by will.

Incidentally, this sounds like a complete misunderstanding of Schrodinger.  Cat in a box, quantum event either kills it or doesn't, you don't know.  The equations are true for both outcomes.

But this doesn't change what actually happened.  That cat either is dead, or isn't.  It's just that you can't tell without looking.  You can't simply say that because the equations don't tell you what happened, that the cat's mortality can be in a nebulous state.  And is sure as fuck doesn't mean that through a some sort of interaction with your consciousness (which you still haven't explained), you can go back in time and affect the outcome.

You're going to need a lot of very specific language here.  I suggest you start using it.

Phox

#99
January 31, 2011, 08:27:14 PM
Quote from: Slyph on January 31, 2011, 08:22:43 PM
My magick is different because I knocked the K off the end and rationalised it with a load of words I cribbed from quantum theory.

see: http://www.badscience.net/2007/05/the-amazing-qlink-science-pedant/

Oh yeah I hate those idiots who believe they can shoot fireballs out of their hands. I can only subtly defy the laws of physics in a way that is fucking invisible and only I know about. Do you think I'm some sort of idiot?



Ya know Slyph, I really didn't have much of an opinion on you until I read this post. Now Imma make sweet, sweet love to you until you're all sticky with gunk.  :fap:

The Good Reverend Roger

#100
January 31, 2011, 08:27:28 PM
Quote from: Icey on January 31, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
Prior causality can be subtly altered by will.

How?  What physical mechanism does this?
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#101
January 31, 2011, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD on January 31, 2011, 08:25:33 PM
But this doesn't change what actually happened.  That cat either is dead, or isn't.  It's just that you can't tell without looking.  

You don't know my cat.

In one set of probabilities, the cat lives.

In the other set, the cat is getting high as fuck on cyanide, and will come out of that box looking for a little something-something...And you better not be the first thing it sees.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

#102
January 31, 2011, 08:31:08 PM
Quote from: Icey on January 31, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
Well, chaos magic is based on incompleteness of knowledge. So, when you say, physics says that the sun will die, it's just a matter of time, I'll agree with you from a realistic standpoint. But, from a "possible" standpoint, we don't truly understand what is possible because we don't truly understand the universe. So, by that token, anything is possible.

Actually, we do understand enough of the universe, and the sun, to understand that it isn't running on an infinite fuel source.  We know that eventually it will begin to run out of that fuel source and die.  And this isn't just from observations of this yet-to-go-red-giant sun.  It's from the observations of the suns, that ALREADY HAVE DIED.  

So, yeah, we kinda do understand the universe enough to know that suns eventually go kerplooey!
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

LMNO

#103
January 31, 2011, 08:31:43 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on January 31, 2011, 08:27:28 PM
Quote from: Icey on January 31, 2011, 08:10:20 PM
Prior causality can be subtly altered by will.

How?  What physical mechanism does this?


Asynchronous non-linear acausal disturbance of distribution fields prior to decoherence.




As if you didn't know...

The Good Reverend Roger

#104
January 31, 2011, 08:32:07 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on January 31, 2011, 08:31:08 PM
Quote from: Icey on January 31, 2011, 08:02:23 PM
Well, chaos magic is based on incompleteness of knowledge. So, when you say, physics says that the sun will die, it's just a matter of time, I'll agree with you from a realistic standpoint. But, from a "possible" standpoint, we don't truly understand what is possible because we don't truly understand the universe. So, by that token, anything is possible.

Actually, we do understand enough of the universe, and the sun, to understand that it isn't running on an infinite fuel source.  We know that eventually it will begin to run out of that fuel source and die.  And this isn't just from observations of this yet-to-go-red-giant sun.  It's from the observations of the suns, that ALREADY HAVE DIED.  

So, yeah, we kinda do understand the universe enough to know that suns eventually go kerplooey!

Maybe all the Chaos Magickians have their servitors poop fresh hydrogen into the sun when we're not looking.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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