Religous Argumentationating

[East Coast Hustle]

Well, fappage is more tiring me-time, workings are more quiet me-time.

For the bibles, unless its the original text, its has minor mistranslations that get compounded with every translation, so the current bibles you can go to the store and buy are highly unlikely to be the same as the original. Even then, it doesnt seem like the best 'moral compass'-
For example, God kills 70,000 innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).  God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live there.  He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city, and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3).  He orders another attack and the killing of "all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as well as oxen sheep, and asses" (Joshua 6).  In Judges 21, He orders the murder of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken to be forcibly raped and married.  When they wanted more virgins, God told them to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and forcibly rape her and make her your wife.

Aaand im not going incredibly in-depth into my belief system right now, but it lines up with a mildly gardnerian form of wicca

I think you've got the idea that "wicca" = "pagan". Gardner invented Wicca, so gardnerian Wicca is the ONLY kind of Wicca there is. Other shit is just some ridiculous pagan shit masquerading as ridiculous wiccan shit.

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

I don't know, I for one don't mind the idea of dying. Existing is such hard work anyway, it would be nice to simply not be for a very long time (forever).

Yeah, it bothers me though. Maybe someday it won't, like when I really start aging, but for now, I want the party to last forever.

The universe got along well  enough for 13 billion years without me. I think it can manage a few billion more.

[Phox]

You're making a mistake here ph.

The Bible gets retranslated frequently. A lot of times they have footnotes explaining that a particular word was used in a certain spot and put it into context. It's not like Bibles are translations of translations of translations. they are direct translations of the original texts

What Blight said.

[Phox]

ETA: that's why there are so many versions of it. Multiple translations of the same text.

If you wanted to talk about the Bible excluding, say, the Gospel of Thomas, ok that's fine. But also, when the Bible was collated in the form that it is in now, it was after a council of Bishops figured out which Christian texts were getting the most readers. It's not like some old dudes decided that this particular book makes this thing look good so, let's add that. No, it was more to try and cut down on inconsistency and inability to grab the reader's attention.

Stop stealing my thunder, Blight. 

[pH]

If you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously, but I know specific things got mistranslated, like "suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to live"
Also, Doktor Phox, the main thing I have a problem with is the Old Testament, and the fact that so much is essentially disregarded in actual practice if it isnt convenient. For example, men must remove hats to pray- convenient, easy, its common. Women must wear a veil to pray- not convenient, seems ridiculous.

I think you've got the idea that "wicca" = "pagan". Gardner invented Wicca, so gardnerian Wicca is the ONLY kind of Wicca there is. Other shit is just some ridiculous pagan shit masquerading as ridiculous wiccan shit.

So then every branch of protestant catholicism is fake ridiculous shit, and Catholicism is the only thing there is, all other denominations that branched off from it are fake ridiculous shit?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

There is no such thing as Protestant Catholicism.

Blight,
Irishman

[pH]

I think I got it backward then =/ either Christianity is protestant Catholicism or the other way around, I never remember

[Nephew Twiddleton]

If you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously, but I know specific things got mistranslated, like "suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to live"
Also, Doktor Phox, the main thing I have a problem with is the Old Testament, and the fact that so much is essentially disregarded in actual practice if it isnt convenient. For example, men must remove hats to pray- convenient, easy, its common. Women must wear a veil to pray- not convenient, seems ridiculous.

I think you've got the idea that "wicca" = "pagan". Gardner invented Wicca, so gardnerian Wicca is the ONLY kind of Wicca there is. Other shit is just some ridiculous pagan shit masquerading as ridiculous wiccan shit.

So then every branch of protestant catholicism is fake ridiculous shit, and Catholicism is the only thing there is, all other denominations that branched off from it are fake ridiculous shit?

Suffer not a witch to live- Phox can translate that, but I think that even poisoner is incorrect and pharmacist would be more accurate.
Plus, that is really archaic phrasing.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I think I got it backward then =/ either Christianity is protestant Catholicism or the other way around, I never remember

Christianity is a religion.
Catholicism is a denomination of Christianity.
Protestantism is a blanket term for all of the denominations that stem from the Protestant Reformation. Therefore it is separate from Catholicism.

Catholics are not Protestant. Protestants are not Catholic. They are however, both Christian.

[Phox]

If you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously, but I know specific things got mistranslated, like "suffer not a witch to live" was originally "suffer not a poisoner to live"
Also, Doktor Phox, the main thing I have a problem with is the Old Testament, and the fact that so much is essentially disregarded in actual practice if it isnt convenient. For example, men must remove hats to pray- convenient, easy, its common. Women must wear a veil to pray- not convenient, seems ridiculous.

But, you see, therein lies your problem. You're arguing that the entire Bible, Old or New Testament is off-limits. So, you know of mistranslations. Here's a question. You read Hebrew and/or Greek? Did you do comparative translations and see for yourself that it does indeed say what you claim? Or did you read it second-hand? In which case, i'm going to call bullshit on your calling of bullshit.

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

I think I got it backward then =/ either Christianity is protestant Catholicism or the other way around, I never remember

The Worlds Largest Religion(for dummies):

Christianity started off as a weird cult in roman times. Romans initially didnt like the Christians but eventually Christianity ended up becoming the official religion of Rome(Long story). Thus the Holy^TM Roman Empire was born. The empire eventually ended but Christianity kept on strong in the form of the Catholic Church.

Then some guy named Martin Luther thought that people should be allowed to wear condoms and thus Protestantism was born.

At some point in time something called the "Orthodox Church" was founded but nobody cares about them.

[pH]

Yeah, theres about 14 different definitions for witch, but the common assumption is the implication of gothic satanism, which isnt real.

The only real problem I have with taking the bible seriously, aside from circular logic, is the superiority complex that usually accompanies a bible thumping monotheist.

Phox, earlier I said

if you have original texts or proper translations then Ill take it seriously

So no, I dont have them. Problem is, neither do the majority of the followers.

Blight, thank you for explaining that. Point I made towards RCP still stands though, separate religions/denominations that branch off from the main one are still religions, you cant say its true for one umbrella religion but not another.

[East Coast Hustle]

I think you've got the idea that "wicca" = "pagan". Gardner invented Wicca, so gardnerian Wicca is the ONLY kind of Wicca there is. Other shit is just some ridiculous pagan shit masquerading as ridiculous wiccan shit.

So then every branch of protestant catholicism is fake ridiculous shit, and Catholicism is the only thing there is, all other denominations that branched off from it are fake ridiculous shit?

yes. Any form of catholicism is fake ridiculous shit. Any form of any religion is fake ridiculous shit. Yours is just more fake and ridiculous than most.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Please explain what Gothic Satanism is and why it doesn't exist. I'm pretty sure there's at least one goth out there who worships Satan. I'm pretty sure there's more then one.

[pH]

If my religion is more fake and ridiculous than other religions, it means you find certain religions less fake and ridiculous.
Okay, basic look at general christianity.
Cosmic zombie jew died to remove an evil that was put inside you because a woman who was made out of a rib was tricked into eating an apple by a talking snake thousands of years ago, so we need to worship him by telepathically telling him he is our master, and symbolically eating his flesh and drinking his blood.
But no, general idea that everything will end up in an equilibrium of some kind, magick doesnt work, and there are no sentient or corporeal higher powers, thats the crazy shit right there.