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Started by pH, March 14, 2011, 10:12:11 PM

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The Good Reverend Roger

#390
March 15, 2011, 04:20:45 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:16:09 PM
Solenoid- electromagnet without a core, Ionized air- charged ions of air
The problem with the concept is the fact that the magnetic field of a solenoid spins.

Oh, for fuck's sake.

It would work better if you put quantums in it.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
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"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
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The Good Reverend Roger

#391
March 15, 2011, 04:21:40 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on March 15, 2011, 04:10:27 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on March 15, 2011, 04:08:43 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:06:11 PM
Hells yes. I have little to no justification for it, nor do i have any kind of expertise or degree to prove i'm correct, but Ill keep it anyway.
Like that hoverboard idea. Any electrical engineers here?

Only works over ferrous metal.  Sorry.

That's abuse of Ferrets. I know they are magical and can help your hoverboards float... but its no excuse!

Science requires heaps of dead rodents to move forward.  It's sad, but that's the way it is.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#392
March 15, 2011, 04:22:19 PM
Quote from: Doktor Phox on March 15, 2011, 04:14:31 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:11:29 PM
Well, the idea is more of creating a solenoid and putting ionized air through it with one half airtight, in the hopes that it will be repelled by the magnetic field and achieve 1-2PSI, over a relatively wide surface area.
Again. You use words you don't really understand. You should really stop doing that.

Speaking as a maintenance manager, I'm really going to enjoy this.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

pH

#393
March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
A solenoid[nb 1] is a coil wound into a tightly packed helix. In physics, the term solenoid refers to a long, thin loop of wire, often wrapped around a metallic core, which produces a magnetic field when an electric current is passed through it. Solenoids are important because they can create controlled magnetic fields and can be used as electromagnets. The term solenoid refers specifically to a magnet designed to produce a uniform magnetic field in a volume of space (where some experiment might be carried out).

In engineering, the term solenoid may also refer to a variety of transducer devices that convert energy into linear motion. The term is also often used to refer to a solenoid valve, which is an integrated device containing an electromechanical solenoid which actuates either a pneumatic or hydraulic valve, or a solenoid switch, which is a specific type of relay that internally uses an electromechanical solenoid to operate an electrical switch; for example, an automobile starter solenoid, or a linear solenoid, which is an electromechanical solenoid.

I referred to the first use, you referred to the second.

Positively ionized air is repelled by positive charge magnetic field, negatively ionized air is repelled by negative magnetic field. I trust the physics professor more than random internet thoughts, unless you have a degree of some sort to argue otherwise.

The first goal isnt to lift anything except the craft, just a proof of concept at this point.
This is a distraction.

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The Good Reverend Roger

#394
March 15, 2011, 04:25:48 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
A solenoid[nb 1] is a coil wound into a tightly packed helix.

Yes.  You buy a solenoid valve at Grainger and pop the spool out of it.  $90, done.  UNNNNNG!

Don't lecture me, kid.  I've been assembling oddball shit since you were a dirty thought.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#395
March 15, 2011, 04:26:59 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM

The first goal isnt to lift anything except the craft, just a proof of concept at this point.


This is dildoes.  The first goal is to build something capable of being used for piratical raids on unsuspecting assholes in Utah.

Mad science or GTFO.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

pH

#396
March 15, 2011, 04:28:36 PM
That was a copy/paste from a google search of 'solenoid'
Is there any time consuming way to make a solenoid instead of paying $90 for one? My dads an avionics technician in the coast guard, so i have access to any tools or equipment i might need.

And i have to finish the liquid nitrogen bombs before I can raid Utah.
This is a distraction.

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Phox

#397
March 15, 2011, 04:29:32 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:23:35 PM
A solenoid[nb 1] is a coil wound into a tightly packed helix. In physics, the term solenoid refers to a long, thin loop of wire, often wrapped around a metallic core, which produces a magnetic field when an electric current is passed through it. Solenoids are important because they can create controlled magnetic fields and can be used as electromagnets. The term solenoid refers specifically to a magnet designed to produce a uniform magnetic field in a volume of space (where some experiment might be carried out).

In engineering, the term solenoid may also refer to a variety of transducer devices that convert energy into linear motion. The term is also often used to refer to a solenoid valve, which is an integrated device containing an electromechanical solenoid which actuates either a pneumatic or hydraulic valve, or a solenoid switch, which is a specific type of relay that internally uses an electromechanical solenoid to operate an electrical switch; for example, an automobile starter solenoid, or a linear solenoid, which is an electromechanical solenoid.
Okay, so, you can copy and paste from wiki. Which actually says you're wrong, btw.  :lulz:

pH

#398
March 15, 2011, 04:31:21 PM
"Often looped around a metal core" doesnt mean "Its never hollow"
This is a distraction.

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The Good Reverend Roger

#399
March 15, 2011, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:28:36 PM
That was a copy/paste from a google search of 'solenoid'
Is there any time consuming way to make a solenoid instead of paying $90 for one? My dads an avionics technician in the coast guard, so i have access to any tools or equipment i might need.

And i have to finish the liquid nitrogen bombs before I can raid Utah.

Get some copper wire and spend the next month winding it.

Or go to the junkyard and look around.

Problem is, if you can only generate 1-2 PSI, you're better off making a giant paper airplane.  This is not a question of proof of concept and then refining it.  You want more oomph, you need a bigger magnet.  The magnet will weigh more than the thrust value, no matter what you do.

So stop fucking around with Back to the Future shit, and build a pair of damn blast gauntlets.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

pH

#400
March 15, 2011, 04:35:24 PM
Im actually going to try to see the physics professor this week to see how much PSI could possibly be generated and if the idea could theoretically work.

And blast gauntlets on what principle? Bolts of lightning, hand cannons, or your hands blow up?
This is a distraction.

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The Good Reverend Roger

#401
March 15, 2011, 04:36:33 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:35:24 PM
Im actually going to try to see the physics professor this week to see how much PSI could possibly be generated and if the idea could theoretically work.

And blast gauntlets on what principle? Bolts of lightning, hand cannons, or your hands blow up?

1.  Be prepared for scorn, unless he's a particularly good teacher, who will let you run off and fail on your own.

2.  Oh, dear.  You just aren't ready for this decade.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

pH

#402
March 15, 2011, 04:39:23 PM
Generally the professors here will take it seriously for 30 seconds, think about it, and then explain exactly how and why youre wrong.

And this is the third or fourth time we've come back to my obliviousness.
This is a distraction.

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The Good Reverend Roger

#403
March 15, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: pH on March 15, 2011, 04:39:23 PM
Generally the professors here will take it seriously for 30 seconds, think about it, and then explain exactly how and why youre wrong.

And this is the third or fourth time we've come back to my obliviousness.

Blast gauntlets:  Lineman's gloves connected to capacitors, for the purpose of punching people with high direct current happiness.

There's a few snags, of course.  You don't want to knock yourself into next week by scratching your nose, and you don't want to weld your hands together.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Phox

#404
March 15, 2011, 04:45:42 PM
Okay, if you don't see how that paragraph makes your definition false, then you REALLY don't understand anything you are talking about. It's just so... obvious.  :lulz:
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