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Started by masquerading, May 09, 2011, 08:51:28 PM

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Thurnez Isa

#15
May 09, 2011, 11:37:33 PM
See a doctor first, then ask him/her for advice.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#16
May 10, 2011, 02:20:16 AM
Do you need a shrink, or a therapist/counselor?

They're very different things.

They are required by law to report you to an appropriate agency if you reveal that you are harming or intend to harm yourself or someone else. Other than that, you can pretty much say anything.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#17
May 10, 2011, 02:22:50 AM
Also, medical doctors are mostly useless except for referrals to shrinks. They'll just try to put you on antidepressants. Ask a friend or just use Google, and expect to talk to a few (good ones will let you meet with them for a free consultation) before you find one that clicks.

Therapists are required to have specific credentials; counselors aren't. Good luck!
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Lies

#18
May 10, 2011, 02:44:29 AM
Been to psychiatrists, counselors and therapists. It can help, at least having someone to vent everything about, and they might give you fun drugs if they deem you worthy.

There's no shame in seeing them, honestly. 
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- Oh it exists, and how!
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Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
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Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
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Anna Mae Bollocks

#19
May 10, 2011, 02:55:39 AM
Counselors are a complete waste of human skin, no point in anybody going to them who isn't trying to make a court case go away. The whole profession is a total farce. Either you're bad off enough for a psychiatrist or you're ok.
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#20
May 10, 2011, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 02:55:39 AM
Counselors are a complete waste of human skin, no point in anybody going to them who isn't trying to make a court case go away. The whole profession is a total farce. Either you're bad off enough for a psychiatrist or you're ok.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more, unless by "counselors" you're talking about lawyers.

Psychiatrists are for meat-based disorders. They aren't for emotional/psychological therapy. A well-trained, experienced therapist can do a fantastic job of helping a client sort out their issues and improve their life significantly. As a kid who went through fairly horrific abuse, and due to this abuse chose an abusive man in my first marriage, I can tell you that the reason I am a fairly happy and reasonably well-adjusted adult now is thanks to some excellent and diligent counselors and therapists. It sounds as if you may have had a bad experience with one, and I'm sorry to hear that.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Lies

#21
May 10, 2011, 03:14:33 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 10, 2011, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 02:55:39 AM
Counselors are a complete waste of human skin, no point in anybody going to them who isn't trying to make a court case go away. The whole profession is a total farce. Either you're bad off enough for a psychiatrist or you're ok.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more, unless by "counselors" you're talking about lawyers.

Psychiatrists are for meat-based disorders. They aren't for emotional/psychological therapy. A well-trained, experienced therapist can do a fantastic job of helping a client sort out their issues and improve their life significantly. As a kid who went through fairly horrific abuse, and due to this abuse chose an abusive man in my first marriage, I can tell you that the reason I am a fairly happy and reasonably well-adjusted adult now is thanks to some excellent and diligent counselors and therapists. It sounds as if you may have had a bad experience with one, and I'm sorry to hear that.

^that.
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Anna Mae Bollocks

#22
May 10, 2011, 03:24:45 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 10, 2011, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 02:55:39 AM
Counselors are a complete waste of human skin, no point in anybody going to them who isn't trying to make a court case go away. The whole profession is a total farce. Either you're bad off enough for a psychiatrist or you're ok.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more, unless by "counselors" you're talking about lawyers.

Psychiatrists are for meat-based disorders. They aren't for emotional/psychological therapy. A well-trained, experienced therapist can do a fantastic job of helping a client sort out their issues and improve their life significantly. As a kid who went through fairly horrific abuse, and due to this abuse chose an abusive man in my first marriage, I can tell you that the reason I am a fairly happy and reasonably well-adjusted adult now is thanks to some excellent and diligent counselors and therapists. It sounds as if you may have had a bad experience with one, and I'm sorry to hear that.

My daugher had a whole string of them and they were all useless. Their whole schtick was "take a deep breath" and "keep a journal". I don't think they could effectively sort out a closet, much less anybody's issues.
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Lies

#23
May 10, 2011, 03:29:22 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 03:24:45 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 10, 2011, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 02:55:39 AM
Counselors are a complete waste of human skin, no point in anybody going to them who isn't trying to make a court case go away. The whole profession is a total farce. Either you're bad off enough for a psychiatrist or you're ok.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more, unless by "counselors" you're talking about lawyers.

Psychiatrists are for meat-based disorders. They aren't for emotional/psychological therapy. A well-trained, experienced therapist can do a fantastic job of helping a client sort out their issues and improve their life significantly. As a kid who went through fairly horrific abuse, and due to this abuse chose an abusive man in my first marriage, I can tell you that the reason I am a fairly happy and reasonably well-adjusted adult now is thanks to some excellent and diligent counselors and therapists. It sounds as if you may have had a bad experience with one, and I'm sorry to hear that.

My daugher had a whole string of them and they were all useless. Their whole schtick was "take a deep breath" and "keep a journal". I don't think they could effectively sort out a closet, much less anybody's issues.

Sounds like your daughter saw a string of shit ones then.
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#24
May 10, 2011, 03:37:32 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 03:24:45 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 10, 2011, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 02:55:39 AM
Counselors are a complete waste of human skin, no point in anybody going to them who isn't trying to make a court case go away. The whole profession is a total farce. Either you're bad off enough for a psychiatrist or you're ok.

Wow. I couldn't disagree more, unless by "counselors" you're talking about lawyers.

Psychiatrists are for meat-based disorders. They aren't for emotional/psychological therapy. A well-trained, experienced therapist can do a fantastic job of helping a client sort out their issues and improve their life significantly. As a kid who went through fairly horrific abuse, and due to this abuse chose an abusive man in my first marriage, I can tell you that the reason I am a fairly happy and reasonably well-adjusted adult now is thanks to some excellent and diligent counselors and therapists. It sounds as if you may have had a bad experience with one, and I'm sorry to hear that.

My daugher had a whole string of them and they were all useless. Their whole schtick was "take a deep breath" and "keep a journal". I don't think they could effectively sort out a closet, much less anybody's issues.


Not to be a dick, but therapy only works on a client who is willing to do the emotional and psychological work involved. Perhaps your daughter saw a string of bad therapists, but if she saw several different ones and didn't get anything out of any of them, it's quite possible that she simply didn't want to sack up and do the work, and that really isn't anyone else's problem.

My brother blew his brains out when he was 23. Could a therapist have helped him? Almost certainly. But he wasn't willing. It was easier to opt out.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Anna Mae Bollocks

#25
May 10, 2011, 03:52:32 AM
My daughter's fine, in spite of the string of shit counselors.  :D And yeah, she did the journals, pointless though that was.

I hear drug counselors are even worse, all they have to do is complete a residential treatment program and if they can't find a real job, they're in like Flynn. One of them told the guy across the street that the only way he's gonna stay clean is Jesus Christ.

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The Good Reverend Roger

#26
May 10, 2011, 03:58:47 AM
Quote from: Nigel on May 10, 2011, 02:22:50 AM
Also, medical doctors are mostly useless except for referrals to shrinks.

Mostly. 

Of course, I had to go through 2 pill pushers before I got one that figured out there was a serious physiological problem.
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Lies

#27
May 10, 2011, 04:01:23 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 03:52:32 AM
My daughter's fine, in spite of the string of shit counselors.  :D And yeah, she did the journals, pointless though that was.

I hear drug counselors are even worse, all they have to do is complete a residential treatment program and if they can't find a real job, they're in like Flynn. One of them told the guy across the street that the only way he's gonna stay clean is Jesus Christ.



Once again, it comes down to the individual. Some drug counselors are great, some have even been addicts themselves and know exactly what the persons going through, others (like RWHN) have never touched them but seem pretty straight up and empathetic to an addicts problems.

You need to shop around I think in those cases. But yeah, fuck the ones who are actually just another secret indoctrination front for Jevus  
- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#28
May 10, 2011, 04:03:32 AM
Quote from: Anna Mae Bollocks on May 10, 2011, 03:52:32 AM
My daughter's fine, in spite of the string of shit counselors.  :D And yeah, she did the journals, pointless though that was.

I hear drug counselors are even worse, all they have to do is complete a residential treatment program and if they can't find a real job, they're in like Flynn. One of them told the guy across the street that the only way he's gonna stay clean is Jesus Christ.



Doing journals isn't the work I refer to. I am talking about actually delving down into your own issues and examining yourself, which can be really uncomfortable and many people resist it.

Frankly, telling people not to go to therapy when they need it because your daughter didn't get much out of the experience is kind of irresponsible.

"Hey, don't try to find help to sort out your neuroses and improve your joy in life! A family member of mine tried it and it didn't work, so you should avoid it".

Seriously, Stella... I like you, but that is absolutely terrible advice that could potentially do someone harm. I don't even understand why you would tell anyone that. Yes, therapists are people... you can extrapolate the rest. That's why doing a consultation or getting a recommendation from trusted friends is a good idea.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#29
May 10, 2011, 04:05:42 AM
Journaling, BTW, is not "pointless" if you're actually examining yourself. You get out of it what you put in, though.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."

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