Curious about a concept in the BIP

[Payne]

I was just about to bump this, Alphapance. I read it at Pixies place, and now that I'm home I was going to reply to it. I see however you beat me to the punch with regards to bumping it. Oh well, you can take my word on it.

With regards to the post itself, it is one of the best illustrations of any one individuals Discordianism I've read in a long time. It's almost tangible to me, how your Discord is formed, and that's fucking awesome writing and communication rite thar.

It also gave me a momentary feeling of "Oh wait, I kinda actually want to write the Lexiad now despite the apparent lack of interest. Just so I can include the imagery you used in that post in it..." Which is no mean feat, considering how ambivalent I've been feeling in recent days about my epic poetry plan.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Thornley was a shady ass character. He had some weird proclivities... from fucking a chair to once being caught doing something questionable with his eight-year-old niece. No way I'm going to identify myself with that guy, even if he said some cool shit.

Yeah, fucking chairs is immoral.

Oh err... that may have come across wrong. Thornley had serious issues including his view that all living things should be sexual. The incident with his niece is certainly an example of badwrong by a guy with serious mental problems. The incident with the chair, is funny.

"I think Kerry was an omnivore sexually, he would have fucked a rhinoceros if he had the opportunity. (Maybe he did I don't know)." - Louise Lacy*

* from "The Prankster and the Conspiracy, by Adam Gorightly

I'll give you the benefit of a doubt and assume it was a miscommunication due to the lack of inflection in text.

I'm not quite willing to grant him that much.

I corrected the potential miscommunication as soon as I saw it. If thats not enough for you, Nigel, fuck off.

No, you.   Your comment was completely uncalled-for in or out of context, and you are a dick for making it either way. Assfuck.

No, you, as your comment was also completely uncalled for.

Which, my comment about your hero having weird sexual proclivities?

I'm not the one who tried to defend a pedo by deflecting attention from the fact that he was caught engaging in questionable activity with a little girl, Ratatosk. THAT is what I find inappropriate about your comment, and why I refuse to give you the benefit of the doubt now. Don't try your fucking obfuscation games on me.

A) not my hero... I've posted several times that the dude has serious mental problems, including pedophilia.

B) The comment I found inappropriate was your response to my clarification.

What exactly was your point in making that response? It's completely obvious from my post that I was saying he had problems. Your comment seemed to be a joke making light of his sexual proclivities because of course fucking a chair isn't immoral. It was out of line and a distraction from the point I was making, which was that he was one messed-up dude.

Me saying I refuse to give you the same benefit of the doubt that Coyote did isn't "inappropriate". It's a statement of my position. If you think it's "inappropriate" for me to state that I am not giving you the benefit of the doubt on this one, you are fucked in the head.

I am not going to buy your backpedaling.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I'm not backpedaling. I made the comment to be funny about the chair comment, realized it could be taken the wrong way and corrected what I said. So, as I said before, fuck off, Nigel.

[AFK]

Yeah, I think this might be a mountain/molehill thing, but unfortunately now the mountainous molehill is blocking some nice scenery. 

[Freeky]

Ok, I'll wade trudge through here.

First off,
"The world's greatest fool may say the Sun is shining, but that doesn't make it dark out."  - EY, Less Wrong.

WK, you have noticed that some aspect of your shamanism/neoshamanism beliefs seem to fit in with one aspect of the BIP (don't forget, there's the biological half as well as the psychologial).  You're confused as to why we would trash shamanism, if they have a similar belief.

Well, the bible says this (Proverbs 1):

20 Out in the open wisdom calls aloud,
  she raises her voice in the public square;
21 on top of the wall she cries out,
  at the city gate she makes her speech:
22 "How long will you who are simple love your simple ways?
  How long will mockers delight in mockery
  and fools hate knowledge?
23 Repent at my rebuke!
  Then I will pour out my thoughts to you,
  I will make known to you my teachings.
24 But since you refuse to listen when I call
  and no one pays attention when I stretch out my hand,
25 since you disregard all my advice
  and do not accept my rebuke,
26 I in turn will laugh when disaster strikes you;
  I will mock when calamity overtakes you—
27 when calamity overtakes you like a storm,
  when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind,
  when distress and trouble overwhelm you.
28 "Then they will call to me but I will not answer;
  they will look for me but will not find me,
29 since they hated knowledge.

Which certainly aligns with my understanding of Discordia.  But does that mean I should not mock the Christians?  Of course not.  Because while there may be a common element to be found (and RWHN was right for calling out the Lo5 on some of that), the underlying belief systems are wildly disparate.

Shamanism, and the neoshamanism that followed, seems to be primarily concerned with, and revolves around, communication and access with some sort of hidden "Spirit World", and concocts elaborate rituals and sometimes ingests chemicals to reach it.  Dress up the language all you want, but that's what the intent is.  And my brand of Discordia rejects that wholeheartedly.  My brand of Discordia believes in Fermions, Bosons and Gluons.  My brand of Discordia believes that so-called "trancendent" mental states are self-reflecting and physical.  There is no "Spirit World" to contact.  The "Spirit World" is another bar in the BIP, not the BIP itself.  

You might argue that you personally consider the "Spirit World" to be a metaphor.  But that would mean you're not practicing Shamanism, you're engaged in psychological self-deception, intentionally deluding yourself.  Which my Discordia also rejects.  My Discordia seeks to remove layers of deceit to reveal underlying thought processes and patterns, not to add additional piles of bullshit onto an already unstable mental system.  Because, as we have repeatedly found out, any time someone develops a metaphor, someone will always try to stretch and manipulate it to the breaking point, until it becomes useless and meaningless (often known as the "PD Principle").  So my understanding of the BIP includes the understanding that it is itself an imperfect model, whereas your offshoot neoshamanistic insight is considered a Truth.



But what do I know?  I only coined the term.*












*Stole it from PKD and used it for my own defarious purposes, more like.

But shamanism WWORKS, dude!
     /

[Luna]

But shamanism WWORKS, dude!
     /

For a given value of "works," I suppose... but then, many things do.

[LMNO]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

[Payne]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

That's when you take the fairies out of something intentionally.

You are a bad man who hates spritely little magical creatures.

[Luna]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

That's when you take the fairies out of something intentionally.

You are a bad man who hates spritely little magical creatures.

Smart man.  The little fuckers bite.

[Cain]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

It is a purpose without expression or speaking, since "farious" means, well, click the link, and the de- prefix....

[AFK]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

That's when you take the fairies out of something intentionally.

You are a bad man who hates spritely little magical creatures.

Smart man.  The little fuckers bite.

But the Lemon-Lime ones are delicious. 

[LMNO]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

It is a purpose without expression or speaking, since "farious" means, well, click the link, and the de- prefix....

Oops.  I accidentally the Zen all over.  Watch your step.

[Luna]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

That's when you take the fairies out of something intentionally.

You are a bad man who hates spritely little magical creatures.

Smart man.  The little fuckers bite.

But the Lemon-Lime ones are delicious. 

This is true.   

[The Good Reverend Roger]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

That's when you take the fairies out of something intentionally.

You are a bad man who hates spritely little magical creatures.

Those fuckers ever come around here, and I'll stuff them in a gunny sack and beat 'em against the wall.

Horrible little shits.

[Don Coyote]

By the way, what the hell is a "defarious purpose", anyway?

That's when you take the fairies out of something intentionally.

You are a bad man who hates spritely little magical creatures.

Those fuckers ever come around here, and I'll stuff them in a gunny sack and beat 'em against the wall.

Horrible little shits.

FAERIE JELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!