Rape

[LMNO]

I know Antioch took it over the top with the whole "may I raise the level of intimacy" thing,

What? 

THAT'S ROMANCE RIGHT THERE, THAT IS!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antioch_College#The_Sexual_Offense_Prevention_Policy

Under this policy, consent for sexual behavior must be "(a) verbal, (b) mutual, and (c) reiterated for every new level of sexual behavior."

[Cain]

Ah, the early 90s.  A time when craziness was more equally distributed.

[Triple Zero]

not sure if there's a more recent thread on this subject, but I just came across this very interesting article:

http://fuckyeahfemalemarines.tumblr.com/post/12766127286/to-all-those-men-who-dont-think-the-rape-jokes-are-a

It's about why rape jokes are always bad and while feminists don't actually believe that "all men are rapists", all rapists actually DO believe this.

I'm doing a stand-up set at a local comedy club where rape jokes are pretty commonly thrown around and almost as regularly accepted. The comedian occasionally loses the audience for being too "ick" about it, so I'm trying to work out a way to mention some of the stuff from the quoted post. I would ideally like to do this without just bitching at the crowd about it.

Anyone got any brilliant ideas for delivery of this material? The format I'm working on at the moment is telling a terrible rape joke and (hopefully) when the audience laughs, ripping into them for being monsters and hoping it's funny rather than ranty and annoying.

How about this:

CK Louis - Rape

I saw this clip a few days ago and I figured I should post this in the Rape thread. Because it's really good. It's about rape, it's funny, and most importantly it doesn't trivialize rape--quite the opposite.

[minuspace]

not sure if there's a more recent thread on this subject, but I just came across this very interesting article:

http://fuckyeahfemalemarines.tumblr.com/post/12766127286/to-all-those-men-who-dont-think-the-rape-jokes-are-a

It's about why rape jokes are always bad and while feminists don't actually believe that "all men are rapists", all rapists actually DO believe this.

I'm doing a stand-up set at a local comedy club where rape jokes are pretty commonly thrown around and almost as regularly accepted. The comedian occasionally loses the audience for being too "ick" about it, so I'm trying to work out a way to mention some of the stuff from the quoted post. I would ideally like to do this without just bitching at the crowd about it.

Anyone got any brilliant ideas for delivery of this material? The format I'm working on at the moment is telling a terrible rape joke and (hopefully) when the audience laughs, ripping into them for being monsters and hoping it's funny rather than ranty and annoying.

How about this:

CK Louis - Rape

I saw this clip a few days ago and I figured I should post this in the Rape thread. Because it's really good. It's about rape, it's funny, and most importantly it doesn't trivialize rape--quite the opposite.

Agreed.  Just that now it's my sanity that I find confounding -  or - that being trivialized is the complexity of social norms? 

Either way, great clip, worth the short watch.

[Cain]

So, here's a thing.

There was an online magazine in the UK called "Unilad", that is, a "lad's magazine" aimed at male University students.  However, it seems this particular publication has something of a problem with rape.  As in, it can't stop making "jokes" about it.

From Wikipedia:

Sexual Mathematics – this article said that 75% of women aged 18–25 were "sluts" and advised readers that if a woman did not display any interest in having sex (which they described as "spread[ing] for your head"), "think about this mathematical statistic: 85 per cent of rape cases go unreported. That seems to be fairly good odds."[1][3] The article concluded with a mock disclaimer: "Uni Lad does not condone rape without saying 'surprise'."[7]
    The Zebra Abortion – this article described how, following sex, the writer told his sexual partner to take the morning-after pill. After responding by saying she wanted to keep the pregnancy, the writer considers "performing an elbow drop on her vagina right there and then", but decides instead to "look around the room for a chair or table I can smash onto her stomach".[8]
    How To Pull a Fresher – Another article on the website gave advice on "How To Pull a Fresher", noting that fresher students were "especially vulnerable".[1]
    The Angry Shag – This story described a man, during sex, smashing a woman's face into a wall "to knock some sense into her".[9]

The website also contained a 'shop' section that sold t-shirts with a variety of slogans, including a t-shirt fashioned in the style of the World War II-era Keep Calm and Carry On propaganda posters reading "Keep Calm – It Won't Take Long", a reference to rape

So yeah.

However, I found this article discussing the whole thing, which is actually pretty great, and I wanted to link to it.  The author also has several other pieces on feminism, rape jokes and similar which are really quite interesting.

We've all engaged in banter-related activity. We've all shown affection to people by winding them up - by taking the piss out of their favourite team/band/Russian novelist, by humming songs you know they hate, by drawing attention to their negative qualities, by randomly showing them a picture of Slavoj Žižek wiggling his tongue erotically when they're trying to eat, things like that. And this kind of banter is a useful, upside-down social ritual. Hugs and handshakes can be insincere. Banter can't. Banter shows three things:

    You are aware of your friend/teammate/lover's faults and weaknesses.
    You know them well enough to annoy them, so can judge their soft limits.
    You know and care about them well enough to stop short of offending them, so can judge and respect their hard limits.

Combined, you get a practical demonstration that you are well aware of the things that make them insecure, and respect them nonetheless. This is particularly important among LADs, Real Men™ and other such heterosexuals, because, as we know, if you say "I know your flaws and I respect you in spite of them" to another man directly, you might as well slip a finger up his arse and whisper "I love you. Yes homo."

UniLad fanboys though, can't do this right. At least, not to women. I'm going to be generous and say they probably are pretty good at respectfully judging hard and soft limits among themselves. They're also very good at cowering before the spectre of homoerotic desire. But with women and feminists, they can only do two of the three things. Clearly, they've found some flaws in women and feminists. And they seem to have done quite well at pissing women and feminists off. But they show no respect whatsoever and are quite obviously utterly clueless at judging their boundaries. The purpose of banter is to be handled, so if someone can't handle the banter, it's stopped being banter. This is not banter. This is not playful. This is not safe and under controlled conditions. This is an outright attack, targeted specifically at perceived vulnerabilities, pretending to be a game.

Which, unless you want to skip to the end, brings me to the rape jokes. First off, I think we focus far too much on what UniLad LADs say about rape. They deserve substantial credit for their attitude to consensual sex because, as you'll see if you read any of their articles, when UniLad LADs have sex, they pretty much ALWAYS win. How amazing is that? When they're good at sex they are ACTUALLY ZEUS HIMSELF. When they get sucked off they debase the mouth-provider in hilarious ways. Their sex lives involve Batman-punching noises like POW!, BOSH!, and KA-DOGGY-STYLE! Even when the woman is so hairy he doesn't even get laid, the joke's on her because UniLad LAD has a wank. Suck that feminists.

The reason UniLad LADs need a meat-hook or Captain-Birdseye chainsaw or whatever to get it up, the reason they can't have sex with a vagina but only with an anus or gash, the reason they can't just enjoy the sensation of a woman's lips and tongue caressing their erect penis unless she's somehow degraded by it is because they're fucking terrified. Maybe even rightly so. Rejection hurts. Affection leaves you vulnerable. Erotic thoughts are fucking frustrating when you've no chance of acting them out on the horizon. 'Woman' is a serious word. 'Wench' is silly, consciously silly, so through humour, you can distance yourself from the thought of sex while pretending to be a pirate. Haha! Arrrr! Having sex with a woman involves mutual pleasure, tension and release, skin on skin and the warmth of another human body. Destroying a wench involves transforming into a 14-megaton cock-missile that shoots up her clunge-hole and explodes her into fragments of sneaking-out-the-next-morning banter-fuel. It's just easier to think sex this way if you're not having any. Plus if you feel too much fondness for a wench you might end up gay.

[Cainad (dec.)]

  sometimes I forget that loads of guys really do perceive sex that way. Unsettling and hilarious all in one post there, bravo!

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That was well-done... thanks for the link, Cain, I'm saving that blog.

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

I'd like to meet that blogger. Great find, Cain.

[Cain]

I think I may have already met him, since I am incredibly guilty of this:

randomly showing them a picture of Slavoj Žižek wiggling his tongue erotically when they're trying to eat

[ñͤͣ̄ͦ̌̑͗͊͛͂͗ ̸̨̨̣̺̼̣̜͙͈͕̮̊̈́̈͂͛̽͊ͭ̓͆ͅé ̰̓̓́ͯ́́͞]

I think I may have already met him, since I am incredibly guilty of this:

randomly showing them a picture of Slavoj Žižek wiggling his tongue erotically when they're trying to eat