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Started by Cardinal Pizza Deliverance., August 16, 2011, 07:40:15 PM

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 16, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 07:46:31 PM
My nieces were both sexually abused by my ex-brother in law's brother, who also raped his own son.

I have no time for people who play this sort of shit down.

I'm here with this.  I still believe pedo's deserve the death penalty because what they do to these children is a type of murder.  As I said at TSC.  

Naw.  Stick 'em in a hole for the rest of their life.

Unless you can show me a perfect judicial system, or reverse the death if it turns out you made a mistake.

See, that's the problem I run in to. I think they should die. But there's no 100% way to guarantee everyone sentenced is guilty. And killing one innocent person - sentencing one innocent person is unacceptable. So where's the correct motorcycle?

If you imprison someone, and it turns out you were wrong, you at least have the option of letting them go.
Molon Lube

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 08:00:27 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 07:59:58 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 07:46:31 PM
My nieces were both sexually abused by my ex-brother in law's brother, who also raped his own son.

I have no time for people who play this sort of shit down.

I'm here with this.  I still believe pedo's deserve the death penalty because what they do to these children is a type of murder.  As I said at TSC.  

Naw.  Stick 'em in a hole for the rest of their life.

Unless you can show me a perfect judicial system, or reverse the death if it turns out you made a mistake.

Oh I didn't mean without evidense, I'm talking about those fuckers who not only do it again and again but brag on it as well.

We convict people on bad evidence each and every day.

And release people over technicalities just as often.  We will never have a perfect judicial system.  You can't when you involve humanity into the mix no matter what role they are playing.

Salty

Quote from: Cardinal Pizza Deliverance. on August 16, 2011, 08:00:05 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 07:55:21 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 07:46:31 PM
My nieces were both sexually abused by my ex-brother in law's brother, who also raped his own son.

I have no time for people who play this sort of shit down.

I'm here with this.  I still believe pedo's deserve the death penalty because what they do to these children is a type of murder.  As I said at TSC.  

Naw.  Stick 'em in a hole for the rest of their life.

Unless you can show me a perfect judicial system, or reverse the death if it turns out you made a mistake.

See, that's the problem I run in to. I think they should die. But there's no 100% way to guarantee everyone sentenced is guilty. And killing one innocent person - sentencing one innocent person is unacceptable. So where's the correct motorcycle?

An awful lot of napalm. Like, an unreasonable amount.
The world is a car and you're the crash test dummy.

LMNO

Also, there is the distinct possibility that death ends consciousness, and therefore, suffering.

You'd kind of want a pedo to suffer as much as possible, yeah?

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 16, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
Also, there is the distinct possibility that death ends consciousness, and therefore, suffering.

You'd kind of want a pedo to suffer as much as possible, yeah?

I can get behind a sentence of daily torture. 

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
And release people over technicalities just as often.

This is utter RWN propaganda.  Name one non-constitutional "technicality" that got someone released?

"Technicalities" include such things as tainted evidence, extracted confessions, improper or nonexistent miranda explanations, and entrapment.  By the RWN definition, "Technicality" = "your basic civil liberties and due process of law".

There are no "technicalities" that result from anything other than sloppy or improper police and prosecutorial conduct.

QuoteWe will never have a perfect judicial system.  You can't when you involve humanity into the mix no matter what role they are playing.

Then I have to stand against the death penalty.
Molon Lube

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 16, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
Also, there is the distinct possibility that death ends consciousness, and therefore, suffering.

You'd kind of want a pedo to suffer as much as possible, yeah?

I can get behind a sentence of daily torture. 

What?
Molon Lube

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
And release people over technicalities just as often.

This is utter RWN propaganda.  Name one non-constitutional "technicality" that got someone released?

"Technicalities" include such things as tainted evidence, extracted confessions, improper or nonexistent miranda explanations, and entrapment.  By the RWN definition, "Technicality" = "your basic civil liberties and due process of law".

There are no "technicalities" that result from anything other than sloppy or improper police and prosecutorial conduct.

QuoteWe will never have a perfect judicial system.  You can't when you involve humanity into the mix no matter what role they are playing.

Then I have to stand against the death penalty.

You want to re-read the ex's case?  A simple technicality. 

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 16, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
Also, there is the distinct possibility that death ends consciousness, and therefore, suffering.

You'd kind of want a pedo to suffer as much as possible, yeah?

I can get behind a sentence of daily torture. 

What?


Seriously, what would you do if some sicko messed with one of your children?

There isn't a hole deep enough for me to be happy with.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
And release people over technicalities just as often.

This is utter RWN propaganda.  Name one non-constitutional "technicality" that got someone released?

"Technicalities" include such things as tainted evidence, extracted confessions, improper or nonexistent miranda explanations, and entrapment.  By the RWN definition, "Technicality" = "your basic civil liberties and due process of law".

There are no "technicalities" that result from anything other than sloppy or improper police and prosecutorial conduct.

QuoteWe will never have a perfect judicial system.  You can't when you involve humanity into the mix no matter what role they are playing.

Then I have to stand against the death penalty.

You want to re-read the ex's case?  A simple technicality. 

Summarize?
Molon Lube

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 16, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
Also, there is the distinct possibility that death ends consciousness, and therefore, suffering.

You'd kind of want a pedo to suffer as much as possible, yeah?

I can get behind a sentence of daily torture.  

What?


Seriously, what would you do if some sicko messed with one of your children?

There isn't a hole deep enough for me to be happy with.

Two things:

1.  You'll have to admit that amendment VIII is void, which pretty much makes the entire bill of rights void.  Then you really can't complain when they drag one of your kids off on suspicion of being suspicious.

2.  If you torture people for a "good" reason, sooner or later, you'll do it for a bad reason.  Amendment VIII was written for a reason.
Molon Lube

Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:07:50 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 08:06:23 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:02:08 PM
And release people over technicalities just as often.

This is utter RWN propaganda.  Name one non-constitutional "technicality" that got someone released?

"Technicalities" include such things as tainted evidence, extracted confessions, improper or nonexistent miranda explanations, and entrapment.  By the RWN definition, "Technicality" = "your basic civil liberties and due process of law".

There are no "technicalities" that result from anything other than sloppy or improper police and prosecutorial conduct.

QuoteWe will never have a perfect judicial system.  You can't when you involve humanity into the mix no matter what role they are playing.

Then I have to stand against the death penalty.

You want to re-read the ex's case?  A simple technicality. 

Summarize?

They convicted him on a hair and a fingerprint.  The only physical evidence they had.  Because they did not test every single hair in her hand they said it was prejudicial.  Overturned the conviction and set him free and he cannot be re-tried or charged for the same crime again.

Mesozoic Mister Nigel

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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 16, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
Also, there is the distinct possibility that death ends consciousness, and therefore, suffering.

You'd kind of want a pedo to suffer as much as possible, yeah?

I don't care about their suffering, actually. I just want them removed from the general population as efficiently and effectively as possible.

Life imprisonment with no possibility for parole is less expensive than the death penalty, and means that were it to be discovered that a mistake was made, the prisoner can be released.

No prisoner should ever be tortured or made to suffer, for anything. Can you imagine the psychological repercussions if "Daddy was tortured and killed because you told"?

It's not OK, ever, under any circumstances, for a wide variety of reasons.

"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Mesozoic Mister Nigel

Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:08:39 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on August 16, 2011, 08:06:53 PM
Quote from: Khara on August 16, 2011, 08:04:24 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 16, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
Also, there is the distinct possibility that death ends consciousness, and therefore, suffering.

You'd kind of want a pedo to suffer as much as possible, yeah?

I can get behind a sentence of daily torture. 

What?


Seriously, what would you do if some sicko messed with one of your children?

There isn't a hole deep enough for me to be happy with.

It's normal and natural for a parent to feel that way.

But we can't base our justice system on it.
"I'm guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk," Charles Wick said. "It was very complicated."


Doktor Howl

Quote from: Nigel on August 16, 2011, 08:12:03 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on August 16, 2011, 08:02:46 PM
Also, there is the distinct possibility that death ends consciousness, and therefore, suffering.

You'd kind of want a pedo to suffer as much as possible, yeah?

I don't care about their suffering, actually. I just want them removed from the general population as efficiently and effectively as possible.

Life imprisonment with no possibility for parole is less expensive than the death penalty, and means that were it to be discovered that a mistake was made, the prisoner can be released.

No prisoner should ever be tortured or made to suffer, for anything. Can you imagine the psychological repercussions if "Daddy was tortured and killed because you told"?

It's not OK, ever, under any circumstances, for a wide variety of reasons.



This.  Torture is the tool of the enemy.  It is not used by civilized people.  We have the rule of law.
Molon Lube