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Started by Cain, November 07, 2011, 06:10:37 PM

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Prince Glittersnatch III

#30
November 13, 2011, 01:57:33 AM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/08/mek-lobbying_n_913233.html

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/27/us-iran-iraq-jones-interview-idUSTRE73Q79820110427

It seems theres been a bit of push lately to have them removed from the list of terrorist organizations, despite the fact that they killed 7 Americans in the past. The main argument seems to be that they oppose Iran. Iran being the pinnacle of all evil anyone who opposes them must be good!

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Cain

#31
November 13, 2011, 02:18:18 AM
They're very popular with the GOP, because...well, yeah, they hate Iran.  That's where the push to take them off the list of terrorist organisations comes from, mainly.

Cain

#32
November 16, 2011, 09:23:14 AM
Oh, look

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/14/israel-mossad-iran-blast

QuoteA series of news reports linking Israel's intelligence agency the Mossad to a blast at a military facility in Iran, in which 17 people were killed and a further 15 wounded, has gained widespread coverage in the Israeli media on Monday.

While Iranian officials insist the explosion at the Bid Ganeh base was accidental, caused by the movement of ammunition, claims from anonymous western and Israeli officials that Saturday's blast was a covert Israeli operation have gained momentum.

Leading Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot picked up a post by US blogger Richard Silverstein claiming the Mossad had teamed up with Iranian militant group Mujahideen e-Khalq (MEK) to execute the alleged attack. MEK denies involvement in the attack.

Leftwing broadsheet Ha'aretz also led with reports that a western intelligence source quoted in Time magazine had claimed the Mossad carried out the attack in an attempt to stall Iran's development of a nuclear weapon. The official is said to have warned: "There are more bullets in the magazine."

The blast at the base, which is reported to have been a storage facility for long-range missiles, was so powerful that it was said to have been felt 30 miles away in the capital, Tehran.

Among those killed was Major General Hassan Moghaddam, the Revolutionary Guard Commander charged with "ensuring self-sufficiency" in armaments, and described by Iranian media as a pioneer in Iranian missile development.

Israel's defence minister, Ehud Barak, responded to news of Moghaddam's death by saying: "May there be more like it."

Prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu's office refused to comment on growing speculation of the Mossad's involvement. Ilan Mizrahi, former head of the national security council and former deputy head of the Mossad, also would not be drawn into substantiating the claims: "I have no idea whether this blast was accidental or whether it was sabotage. But I will say God bless those who were behind it, because the free world should be doing its best to prevent Iran from achieving nuclear military capability."

Phox

#33
November 16, 2011, 03:29:14 PM
Wow. I'll be interested to see the reactions to Israel's statements.

Juana

#34
November 16, 2011, 04:14:58 PM
Why would Iran want to cover that up?
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Elder Iptuous

#35
November 16, 2011, 04:23:08 PM
to deny the appearance of weakness, perhaps...

Cain

#36
November 16, 2011, 04:29:37 PM
And because they don't actually want a war.  It's all well to accuse Israel of nefarious spying activities, but once they're running covert ops in your country...well, the nationalists will call for a response.  And, er, well, I don't rate the Iranian air forces chances.

Juana

#37
November 16, 2011, 04:32:08 PM
Ah. I'm running on like two hours' sleep for the third day in a row, or I suspect that would have been obvious, lol. Thanks guys. :)
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#38
November 16, 2011, 04:33:12 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 16, 2011, 04:29:37 PM
And because they don't actually want a war.  It's all well to accuse Israel of nefarious spying activities, but once they're running covert ops in your country...well, the nationalists will call for a response.  And, er, well, I don't rate the Iranian air forces chances.

Yeah, if I recall they didn't do particularly well in their war with Iraq.

That was ages ago, but...
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#39
November 16, 2011, 05:20:40 PM
To be fair to Iran, they didn't have quite the level of support Saddam Hussein did, and officer corps tend to undergo a level of...restructuring after any revolution.

Though, of course, the USA and Israel were arming both sides of that conflict.

Verbal Mike

#40
November 18, 2011, 07:37:19 PM
Richard Silverstein is notorious for having unbelievable scoops that sometimes really shouldn't be believed. So the evidence is still pretty flimsy.
I'm not convinced that anything might drive Barak and Netanyahu not to take credit if Israel was behind the attack. After all, they've seen much better times domestically, and they've been talking aggressive about Iran for ages.

So right now I'd call this a suspicious coincidence.
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The Good Reverend Roger

#41
November 18, 2011, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 16, 2011, 05:20:40 PM
To be fair to Iran, they didn't have quite the level of support Saddam Hussein did, and officer corps tend to undergo a level of...restructuring after any revolution.

Though, of course, the USA and Israel were arming both sides of that conflict.

Well, sure.  The enemy of my enemy is my customer.
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LMNO

#42
November 18, 2011, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2011, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 16, 2011, 05:20:40 PM
To be fair to Iran, they didn't have quite the level of support Saddam Hussein did, and officer corps tend to undergo a level of...restructuring after any revolution.

Though, of course, the USA and Israel were arming both sides of that conflict.

Well, sure.  The enemy of my enemy is my customer.

That's a pretty awesome quote you got there, Roger.

The Good Reverend Roger

#43
November 18, 2011, 10:06:02 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on November 18, 2011, 08:56:57 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 18, 2011, 07:40:39 PM
Quote from: Cain on November 16, 2011, 05:20:40 PM
To be fair to Iran, they didn't have quite the level of support Saddam Hussein did, and officer corps tend to undergo a level of...restructuring after any revolution.

Though, of course, the USA and Israel were arming both sides of that conflict.

Well, sure.  The enemy of my enemy is my customer.

That's a pretty awesome quote you got there, Roger.

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Cain

#44
November 18, 2011, 11:04:53 PM
Quote from: VERBL on November 18, 2011, 07:37:19 PM
Richard Silverstein is notorious for having unbelievable scoops that sometimes really shouldn't be believed. So the evidence is still pretty flimsy.
I'm not convinced that anything might drive Barak and Netanyahu not to take credit if Israel was behind the attack. After all, they've seen much better times domestically, and they've been talking aggressive about Iran for ages.

So right now I'd call this a suspicious coincidence.

True, but I place considerably more weight on the reporting of Ha'aretz.
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