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Started by Khore, December 15, 2011, 04:26:45 PM

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Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Those I've known. Only one is safe from this point of view so screwed, but is my friend, and she dont want to be more than a friend.
Then you are way, WAY overgeneralizing in the OP and elsewhere. It reads like you apply that to all women, all the time. The OP, in particular, is full of that sort of thing. BTW, I'm a girl.


Entonces usted es muy, muy generalizar demasiado en la OP y en otros lugares. Se lee como se aplica a todas las mujeres que, en todo momento. El OP, en particular, está llena de ese tipo de cosas. Por cierto, yo soy una chica.

Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 01:22:16 PM
Benefit of the doubt time.  Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."

I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it.  They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical.  When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.  

On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment.  It really could go either way.



Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."

He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.

Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.


Well, I try to separate facts from interpretations. Anything could be, since there is an interpretation for each event. The point is that for me, sex is as necessary as eating, Im "killing me masturbating me", man. I see important to have love, oxytocin, being in love, having sex with another body and not your own hands, the heat in bed, sleeping together, see all that important, not only as a mere commodity, not only having sex and no more. If i have sex is only because i want them, is a pure instint, but not only an instint, i want more than sex if i can accomplish. And fuck, I see that looks cool and cool walking saying that others are garbage. That's the appeal of the imbecile who can not understand others or help them and before that I prefer to kill them and/or ignore them if you feel you can not learn anything from these people, of course.

Bueno, intento separar los hechos de las interpretaciones. Cualquier cosa podría ser, pues hay una interpretación por cada hecho. La cuestión es que para mi, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer, me mato a pajas tío. Veo importante el tener amor, oxitocina, estar enamorado, tener sexo con otro cuerpo y no con tu propia mano, el calor en la cama, el dormir juntos, veo importante todo eso, no solo como mera mercancía. Si yo tengo sexo con ellas es solo porque las quiero, es puro instinto, pero no solo un instinto, quiero más que sexo y si es que puedo lograrlo. Y joder, veo que parece guay y cool el andar diciendo que los demás son basura. Eso es el recurso del imbécil que no sabe comprender a los demás ni ayudarlos y antes de eso prefiere matarlos y/o desentenderse de ellos, si consideras que no puedes aprender nada de esa gente, claro.
This... is slightly more troublesome. I am trying to extend you the benefit of the doubt, here. However, when you make statements ;like "for me, sex is as necessary as eating", my initial response is best left unsaid. Further... sex is most certainly not a commodity, but you seem to be consistently returning to that idea.

Este ... es un poco más problemático. Yo estoy tratando de extender el beneficio de la duda, aquí. Sin embargo, al hacer declaraciones, como "para mí, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer", mi respuesta inicial es mejor que no se dijeron. Más ... el sexo es sin duda no es una mercancía, sino que parecen estar siempre de volver a esa idea.

Luna

What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them.  the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them.  The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.
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Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them.  the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them.  The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.
II was "bitches" to "prostitutes", actually.  :lulz:

Khore

Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them.  the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them.  The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.

I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?

LMNO

Equally valid? I don't know about that.  Both viewpoints exist, surely.  But your viewpoint is much less rational.  By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures.  Which is highly irrational.

Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.

Khore

Quote from: Doktor Zero on December 16, 2011, 01:53:06 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:20:28 PM
Those I've known. Only one is safe from this point of view so screwed, but is my friend, and she dont want to be more than a friend.
Then you are way, WAY overgeneralizing in the OP and elsewhere. It reads like you apply that to all women, all the time. The OP, in particular, is full of that sort of thing. BTW, I'm a girl.


Entonces usted es muy, muy generalizar demasiado en la OP y en otros lugares. Se lee como se aplica a todas las mujeres que, en todo momento. El OP, en particular, está llena de ese tipo de cosas. Por cierto, yo soy una chica.

Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 01:33:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 01:22:16 PM
Benefit of the doubt time.  Note the line, "i dont want to justify my lack of sex with this post, inverting what is common to put it in my favor."

I have found that people who either haven't had sex in a long time, or haven't had much experience with sex, tend to overlook the Oxytocin/endocrine dump that takes place during orgasm, as well as the susceptible emotional and mental state that comes with it.  They tend to only focus on the primary pleasure aspect, and see it as mostly physical.  When that happens, it becomes easier to treat it as some sort of external "thing", and thus easier to turn into a commodity.  

On the other hand, he could be a lump of garbage that blames his environment.  It really could go either way.



Beneficio de la duda de tiempo. Nota de la línea, "yo no quiero justificar mi falta de sexo con este post, invirtiendo lo que es común para ponerlo en mi favor."

He encontrado que las personas que o bien no han tenido relaciones sexuales en mucho tiempo, o no han tenido mucha experiencia con el sexo, tienden a pasar por alto el vertedero de oxitocina / endocrino que se produce durante el orgasmo, así como el estado emocional y mental susceptible que viene con él. Ellos tienden a centrarse sólo en el aspecto de placer primario, y lo ven como su mayor parte física. Cuando eso sucede, es más fácil tratarlo como una especie de exterior "cosa", y por lo tanto más fáciles de convertir en una mercancía.

Por otro lado, podría ser un pedazo de basura que culpa a su medio ambiente. En realidad, podría ir en cualquier dirección.


Well, I try to separate facts from interpretations. Anything could be, since there is an interpretation for each event. The point is that for me, sex is as necessary as eating, Im "killing me masturbating me", man. I see important to have love, oxytocin, being in love, having sex with another body and not your own hands, the heat in bed, sleeping together, see all that important, not only as a mere commodity, not only having sex and no more. If i have sex is only because i want them, is a pure instint, but not only an instint, i want more than sex if i can accomplish. And fuck, I see that looks cool and cool walking saying that others are garbage. That's the appeal of the imbecile who can not understand others or help them and before that I prefer to kill them and/or ignore them if you feel you can not learn anything from these people, of course.

Bueno, intento separar los hechos de las interpretaciones. Cualquier cosa podría ser, pues hay una interpretación por cada hecho. La cuestión es que para mi, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer, me mato a pajas tío. Veo importante el tener amor, oxitocina, estar enamorado, tener sexo con otro cuerpo y no con tu propia mano, el calor en la cama, el dormir juntos, veo importante todo eso, no solo como mera mercancía. Si yo tengo sexo con ellas es solo porque las quiero, es puro instinto, pero no solo un instinto, quiero más que sexo y si es que puedo lograrlo. Y joder, veo que parece guay y cool el andar diciendo que los demás son basura. Eso es el recurso del imbécil que no sabe comprender a los demás ni ayudarlos y antes de eso prefiere matarlos y/o desentenderse de ellos, si consideras que no puedes aprender nada de esa gente, claro.
This... is slightly more troublesome. I am trying to extend you the benefit of the doubt, here. However, when you make statements ;like "for me, sex is as necessary as eating", my initial response is best left unsaid. Further... sex is most certainly not a commodity, but you seem to be consistently returning to that idea.

Este ... es un poco más problemático. Yo estoy tratando de extender el beneficio de la duda, aquí. Sin embargo, al hacer declaraciones, como "para mí, el sexo es tan necesario como el comer", mi respuesta inicial es mejor que no se dijeron. Más ... el sexo es sin duda no es una mercancía, sino que parecen estar siempre de volver a esa idea.

I am saying that sex could be exchangeable for money, only sex. In a capitalist society if it was well seen in a society for me this would be great for all. More sane society when prostitutes are everywhere and you can fuck when you want, and is allowed by the society.

Is inevitable that people like me, unadaptable persons to girls and society couldnt fuck. This is injust for me and for others like me. I want fuck too. This is crazy or retard? i dont know but i want, too, enjoy your party with other rules, my rules and rituals to fuck.

Imposition of order is equal to escalation of chaos. If you dont allow me to fuck, prostitutes and clients will be breeds by me and others like me and the new consensus with the new rules of the game.


Im an unicorn in this society!

Luna

Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:45:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them.  the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them.  The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.

I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?

ONLY a girl?

Somebody who speaks his native lingo want to explain to him what he just did, there?

Listen, lackwit...  here's your problem. There is no such thing as ONLY a girl.  Ever.

You can't buy love.  Love is NOT the same thing as sex.  

If you don't get these simple concepts, you can't claim that love is a priority, since you haven't the foggiest grasp on what it is.

Grow up.  You're not a unicorn. You're not a special little snowflake.  You've just warped your own perceptions to convince yourself you are.  You're just a regular, garden-variety cabbage.
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"My father says that almost the whole world is asleep. Everybody you know, everybody you see, everybody you talk to. He says that only a few people are awake, and they live in a state of constant, total amazement."

Quote from: The Payne on November 16, 2011, 07:08:55 PM
If Luna was a furry, she'd sex humans and scream "BEASTIALITY!" at the top of her lungs at inopportune times.

Quote from: Nigel on March 24, 2011, 01:54:48 AM
I like the Luna one. She is a good one.

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"Stop talking to yourself.  You don't like you any better than anyone else who knows you."

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I feel I need to add something, over here in the Netherlands, especially in my city, we get a lot of foreign exchange students, most of them from all over Europe. I think you'd be surprised to learn about the rather large cultural difference that can be found in an area that is only 60% of the size of the USA. What I see especially with girls from Southern European countries (Greece, Spain, Romania, to name a few), come here with a surprisingly low self-esteem (but only in some senses) and some rather peculiar and old-fashioned ideas about the roles of men and women in dating and relationships. And being foreign exchange students that means they're 1) higher educated. 2) at least 18+ 3) somewhat more independent than average, so I'm guessing that the teenage girls Khore deals with can't be much different.

That doesn't make those ideas right, of course. I'm just pointing out that our Western emancipation isn't to be taken for granted everywhere in the world or even Europe.

And from what I'm seeing, firstly Khore is perceiving that status quo in his environment as something that isn't right and should be dissected and de-constructed. Especially considering he's a teenager. Except the way he's chosen to approach this is wrong and attacking the situation from the wrong angle, because it is not rooted in equality between men and women, especially about not considering females as the same kind of persons like everybody else (which is another not very surprising but still wrong conclusion a teenager can come to IMO).

I see it kinda similar to how a teenager can see all the problems with government and politics and then come to the conclusion that Anarchy is a great idea (fairly sure many of us went through a phase like that). Although it is of course not a great idea, it doesn't mean the teenager is irredeemably stupid, but in a positive light can also be considered an early form of Think For Yourself Schmuck, someone who doesn't consider the status quo as set in stone but sees the problems and tries to imagine alternatives.

So I'd focus less on the "misogynistic fucktard" bashing and rather take the chance to show Khore the right alternatives to fucked up social situations.

Siento que tengo que añadir algo, por aquí en los Países Bajos, especialmente en mi ciudad, tenemos una gran cantidad de estudiantes extranjeros, la mayoría de ellos procedentes de toda Europa. Creo que te sorprenderá saber acerca de la diferencia cultural más grande que se puede encontrar en un área que es sólo el 60% del tamaño de los EE.UU.. Lo que yo veo sobre todo con las niñas de los países del sur (Grecia, España, Rumania, por nombrar algunos), vienen aquí con una baja autoestima es sorprendente (pero sólo en algunos sentidos) y algunas ideas bastante peculiar y anticuada sobre la roles de hombres y mujeres en citas y relaciones. Y siendo los estudiantes extranjeros de intercambio que significa que son 1) mayor educación. 2) por lo menos 18 + 3) un poco más independiente que el promedio, así que supongo que las ofertas de las adolescentes con Khore no puede ser muy diferente.

Eso no tiene las ideas correctas, por supuesto. Sólo estoy señalando que nuestra emancipación occidental no se da por sentado en cualquier parte del mundo o incluso de Europa.

Y a partir de lo que estoy viendo, en primer lugar Khore es percibir que el status quo en su entorno como algo que no es correcto y debe ser disecada y de construcción. Especialmente teniendo en cuenta que es un adolescente. Excepto el camino que ha elegido para abordar esto es un error y atacar la situación desde el ángulo equivocado, porque no se basa en la igualdad entre hombres y mujeres, especialmente acerca de no tener en cuenta las mujeres como el mismo tipo de personas como todo el mundo (que es otra no conclusión muy sorprendente, pero se equivoca todavía era un adolescente puede llegar a la OMI).

Yo lo veo un poco similar a cómo un adolescente puede ver todos los problemas con el gobierno y la política y luego llegar a la conclusión de que la anarquía es una gran idea (bastante seguro de que muchos de nosotros pasó por una fase similar). A pesar de que por supuesto no es una gran idea, eso no quiere decir que el adolescente es irremediablemente estúpido, pero en una luz positiva también se puede considerar una forma primitiva de pensar por ti mismo Schmuck, alguien que no tiene en cuenta el statu quo tal como se en piedra, sino que ve los problemas y trata de imaginar alternativas.

Así que me centrarse menos en la "fucktard misógino" contundente y no tener la oportunidad de mostrar las alternativas Khore derecho a jodido situaciones sociales.
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Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Equally valid? I don't know about that.  Both viewpoints exist, surely.  But your viewpoint is much less rational.  By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures.  Which is highly irrational.

Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.

I never said that, i said that i want sex with love. And if the woman want, only if she freely want, without love too and all exchanging money for the service, the love can´t be bought, unless you knew how buy it, I could easily fall in love only through sex, not knowing someone else, so we definitely love each other maybe can be purchased, in the other hand human beings are all equal to each other and i belive this. And the reason is a bitch.

Placid Dingo

The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.

Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively  as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.

Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.

I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.
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Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Equally valid? I don't know about that.  Both viewpoints exist, surely.  But your viewpoint is much less rational.  By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures.  Which is highly irrational.

Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.

I never said that, i said that i want sex with love. And if the woman want, only if she freely want, without love too and all exchanging money for the service, the love can´t be bought, unless you knew how buy it, I could easily fall in love only through sex, not knowing someone else, so we definitely love each other maybe can be purchased, in the other hand human beings are all equal to each other and i belive this. And the reason is a bitch.

Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:45:30 PM
I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?

Because you're contradicting yourself, I probably won't be responding directly to any more of your posts in this thread until you cut that shit out.

Porque te estás contradiciendo, probablemente no van a responder directamente a más de sus mensajes en este tema hasta que se corte esa mierda.

Khore

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Equally valid? I don't know about that.  Both viewpoints exist, surely.  But your viewpoint is much less rational.  By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures.  Which is highly irrational.

Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.

I never said that, i said that i want sex with love. And if the woman want, only if she freely want, without love too and all exchanging money for the service, the love can´t be bought, unless you knew how buy it, I could easily fall in love only through sex, not knowing someone else, so we definitely love each other maybe can be purchased, in the other hand human beings are all equal to each other and i belive this. And the reason is a bitch.



And yes, is true. And you are a discordian? what the fuck man. I want free of choice of women and man, i believe in that, and if they want to change the rules of the game, they can. Love is a relative subject, so, it can be bought by some, and not bought by others. Everything is free, everything cost money. DO WHAT YOU WILL, OK? I can contradict myself because im in different levels all the time. Im a multidimensional human being. Like you. Fnord?

Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 03:02:55 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:45:30 PM
Quote from: Luna on December 16, 2011, 02:06:16 PM
What I got from Asstard, here, is that he views females as interchangable sex toys, except he can't figure out how to get access without paying them.  the only reason he objects to women "belonging" to men is that it means HE can't fuck them.  The edit from "bitches" to "women" in the OP does very little to make his attitude less repulsive.

I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?

ONLY a girl?

Somebody who speaks his native lingo want to explain to him what he just did, there?

Listen, lackwit...  here's your problem. There is no such thing as ONLY a girl.  Ever.

You can't buy love.  Love is NOT the same thing as sex.  

If you don't get these simple concepts, you can't claim that love is a priority, since you haven't the foggiest grasp on what it is.

Grow up.  You're not a unicorn. You're not a special little snowflake.  You've just warped your own perceptions to convince yourself you are.  You're just a regular, garden-variety cabbage.

Bff... what is the problem of sell sex like sell an Iphone? No diference. Love is not sacred, sex is not sacred. Ok?
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law.
Love is the law, love under will.

Uff... is difficult to say what i want to say in english, is normal that contradict myself. Fuck.

Quote from: Placid Dingo on December 16, 2011, 03:20:42 PM
The other issue here is that if you choose who you have sex with, that's just life.

Having no choice is where we have prostitution. That prostitution is seen negatively  as a job is the only reason the money is so good. If you took away the bias (wrong word but the right one isn't coming to me) against prostitution to the point that many many women went into it, they would also shoot the fuck out of it, because the money would suck.

Anyway, that's an aside; the gender issues are more interesting.

I think Khore is being maltreated by Maslow.
Exactly, only if THEY WANT, IF THEY WANT BECAUSE THEY ARE FREE, THEY CAN DO EVERYTHING IN TERMS OF SEX AND LOVE. This is what i want to say. They can fuck in the streets if they want.

Quote from: Triple Zero on December 16, 2011, 03:06:47 PM
I feel I need to add something, over here in the Netherlands, especially in my city, we get a lot of foreign exchange students, most of them from all over Europe. I think you'd be surprised to learn about the rather large cultural difference that can be found in an area that is only 60% of the size of the USA. What I see especially with girls from Southern European countries (Greece, Spain, Romania, to name a few), come here with a surprisingly low self-esteem (but only in some senses) and some rather peculiar and old-fashioned ideas about the roles of men and women in dating and relationships. And being foreign exchange students that means they're 1) higher educated. 2) at least 18+ 3) somewhat more independent than average, so I'm guessing that the teenage girls Khore deals with can't be much different.

That doesn't make those ideas right, of course. I'm just pointing out that our Western emancipation isn't to be taken for granted everywhere in the world or even Europe.

And from what I'm seeing, firstly Khore is perceiving that status quo in his environment as something that isn't right and should be dissected and de-constructed. Especially considering he's a teenager. Except the way he's chosen to approach this is wrong and attacking the situation from the wrong angle, because it is not rooted in equality between men and women, especially about not considering females as the same kind of persons like everybody else (which is another not very surprising but still wrong conclusion a teenager can come to IMO).

I see it kinda similar to how a teenager can see all the problems with government and politics and then come to the conclusion that Anarchy is a great idea (fairly sure many of us went through a phase like that). Although it is of course not a great idea, it doesn't mean the teenager is irredeemably stupid, but in a positive light can also be considered an early form of Think For Yourself Schmuck, someone who doesn't consider the status quo as set in stone but sees the problems and tries to imagine alternatives.

So I'd focus less on the "misogynistic fucktard" bashing and rather take the chance to show Khore the right alternatives to fucked up social situations.

Siento que tengo que añadir algo, por aquí en los Países Bajos, especialmente en mi ciudad, tenemos una gran cantidad de estudiantes extranjeros, la mayoría de ellos procedentes de toda Europa. Creo que te sorprenderá saber acerca de la diferencia cultural más grande que se puede encontrar en un área que es sólo el 60% del tamaño de los EE.UU.. Lo que yo veo sobre todo con las niñas de los países del sur (Grecia, España, Rumania, por nombrar algunos), vienen aquí con una baja autoestima es sorprendente (pero sólo en algunos sentidos) y algunas ideas bastante peculiar y anticuada sobre la roles de hombres y mujeres en citas y relaciones. Y siendo los estudiantes extranjeros de intercambio que significa que son 1) mayor educación. 2) por lo menos 18 + 3) un poco más independiente que el promedio, así que supongo que las ofertas de las adolescentes con Khore no puede ser muy diferente.

Eso no tiene las ideas correctas, por supuesto. Sólo estoy señalando que nuestra emancipación occidental no se da por sentado en cualquier parte del mundo o incluso de Europa.

Y a partir de lo que estoy viendo, en primer lugar Khore es percibir que el status quo en su entorno como algo que no es correcto y debe ser disecada y de construcción. Especialmente teniendo en cuenta que es un adolescente. Excepto el camino que ha elegido para abordar esto es un error y atacar la situación desde el ángulo equivocado, porque no se basa en la igualdad entre hombres y mujeres, especialmente acerca de no tener en cuenta las mujeres como el mismo tipo de personas como todo el mundo (que es otra no conclusión muy sorprendente, pero se equivoca todavía era un adolescente puede llegar a la OMI).

Yo lo veo un poco similar a cómo un adolescente puede ver todos los problemas con el gobierno y la política y luego llegar a la conclusión de que la anarquía es una gran idea (bastante seguro de que muchos de nosotros pasó por una fase similar). A pesar de que por supuesto no es una gran idea, eso no quiere decir que el adolescente es irremediablemente estúpido, pero en una luz positiva también se puede considerar una forma primitiva de pensar por ti mismo Schmuck, alguien que no tiene en cuenta el statu quo tal como se en piedra, sino que ve los problemas y trata de imaginar alternativas.

Así que me centrarse menos en la "fucktard misógino" contundente y no tener la oportunidad de mostrar las alternativas Khore derecho a jodido situaciones sociales.


Yes, you are in the right way, in think. But bff... free, all is about freedom. Only free of choice. This is what i want to say.

Khore

Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 03:25:13 PM
Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 03:08:38 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on December 16, 2011, 02:56:08 PM
Equally valid? I don't know about that.  Both viewpoints exist, surely.  But your viewpoint is much less rational.  By constructing a reality that treats love as a commodity, and women as a vessel for men's sexual urges, you are establishing a caste system and claiming that over half the humans on this planet are somehow lesser creatures.  Which is highly irrational.

Igualmente válidas? Yo no sé nada de eso. Ambos puntos de vista existe, sin duda. Pero su punto de vista es mucho menos racional. Mediante la construcción de una realidad que trata el amor como una mercancía, y la mujer como un vaso de necesidades sexuales del hombre, está estableciendo un sistema de castas y afirmaba que más de la mitad de los seres humanos en este planeta son de alguna manera las criaturas inferiores. Que es altamente irracional.

I never said that, i said that i want sex with love. And if the woman want, only if she freely want, without love too and all exchanging money for the service, the love can´t be bought, unless you knew how buy it, I could easily fall in love only through sex, not knowing someone else, so we definitely love each other maybe can be purchased, in the other hand human beings are all equal to each other and i belive this. And the reason is a bitch.

Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 02:45:30 PM
I would have no problem with sex (with love) as a commodity exchange. As you can see, we are actually two different reality tunnels but equally valid. Maybe because i am an asstard and a weird boy, and you only a girl, you cannot see the trick, the difference. Sex and love is prioritary in my life. Love for you is not a paramount thing?

Because you're contradicting yourself, I probably won't be responding directly to any more of your posts in this thread until you cut that shit out.

Porque te estás contradiciendo, probablemente no van a responder directamente a más de sus mensajes en este tema hasta que se corte esa mierda.

Hmmm, sex with love, could be interchanged. Yes. Without sex too. And it cannot be interchanged too, only depends of people. Each person will decide and will aproach this theme in different ways. So, there is no law or rule in this issue. This is what i wanted to say.

The Good Reverend Roger

ONLY a girl.   :lulz:

Keep digging, Khore, you'll be out of that hole in no time.
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Quote from: Khore on December 16, 2011, 08:18:21 AM
In Spain people are more mischievous, I guess, so the main network forum "forocoches" says that all girls are prostitutes. In a way or another. Sorry.

People who believe that all women are prostitutes are either naive or live in a society where women are dependent on men for food and shelter. In a more egalitarian society where women have the same means of supporting themselves as men do, sex is an equal exchange.

You might be surprised to learn that in the United States it is very common for women to be frustrated because they often have higher sex drives than the men they are romantically partnered with.
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