You are all a bunch of faggots and nobody likes you.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yep.

I have serious problems with the retards who have decided that because Twain and Kipling used certain words, they were racist, when any 12-year-old assfuck with an ounce of reading comprehension can easily see that they were objecting to the racist status quo they lived in.

Although I hate the jargon, this is a classic example of mistaking the map for the territory.

Yep yep. And when you dig deeper into the jargon, you start to discover that we euphemize things we are uncomfortable with... so derogatory terms evolve. Remember when we were kids, when the prevailing politically correct term was "Negro"? And how, oddly, just ten or so years later, that became an uncomfortable term to use? And then it was "Black". And then it was "African American".

People feel the need to shift terms when they are uncomfortable with what that term describes.

If the majority was comfortable with black people, we would still be called "niggers" and no one would care.

I meant the BIP jargon, but you are correct.

I think I am still drunk from last night.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Incidentally, I maintain that Martin Luther King Jr did more for Whites than he did for Blacks.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Yep.

I have serious problems with the retards who have decided that because Twain and Kipling used certain words, they were racist, when any 12-year-old assfuck with an ounce of reading comprehension can easily see that they were objecting to the racist status quo they lived in.

Although I hate the jargon, this is a classic example of mistaking the map for the territory.

Yep yep. And when you dig deeper into the jargon, you start to discover that we euphemize things we are uncomfortable with... so derogatory terms evolve. Remember when we were kids, when the prevailing politically correct term was "Negro"? And how, oddly, just ten or so years later, that became an uncomfortable term to use? And then it was "Black". And then it was "African American".

People feel the need to shift terms when they are uncomfortable with what that term describes.

If the majority was comfortable with black people, we would still be called "niggers" and no one would care.

I meant the BIP jargon, but you are correct.

I think I am still drunk from last night.

The dinner party was a success, then?   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

For the record, the fact that I even identify as black is a matter of deeply-entrenched American racism.

When I hear some teabagger moron talking about Obama as being "only half-Black", I ask them if he would have been able to marry a White woman in 1965.  I get a look of uncomprehending disgust in return.

Then I go about my business, happily vindicated in my low opinion of my species.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Incidentally, I maintain that Martin Luther King Jr did more for Whites than he did for Blacks.

Oh, absolutely!

And yes, the dinner party was amazing, and I put bacon in everything because FBF is in Mexico and this might be my only chance ever (she is Jewish).

[LMNO]

I am ashamed that I've never read Kipling.


...there goes another stack of books on the "read it, dummy" pile.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I am ashamed that I've never read Kipling.


...there goes another stack of books on the "read it, dummy" pile.

There's a pretty cheap complete collection that I have at home.  I can get you the ISDN number for it.

[Luna]

I am ashamed that I've never read Kipling.


...there goes another stack of books on the "read it, dummy" pile.

There's a pretty cheap complete collection that I have at home.  I can get you the ISDN number for it.

Amazon has a lot of Kipling for free on the kindle.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Incidentally, I maintain that Martin Luther King Jr did more for Whites than he did for Blacks.

Oh, absolutely!

And yes, the dinner party was amazing, and I put bacon in everything because FBF is in Mexico and this might be my only chance ever (she is Jewish).

1.  Excellent.  Also, is turkey kosher?  Because turkey bacon is pretty damn good.

2.  MLK did a lot to bring Blacks closer to equality in America, but he shamed Whites into being civilized.  Likewise, my personal hero, Muhammed Ali, in one sentence taught me how to walk upright:

"No Vietcong ever called me nigger."

There's a whole lot of freight in that one short sentence.  "I will not fight brown people for the benefit of rich White people who harm our own brown people." (you can substitute "poor" for "brown", and still have the same message), and "Non-serviam", and "I came all the way here to say FUCK YOU, while all the rich kids ran to America.  I will not run, and I will not obey.", and "I am willing to destroy my hugely successful career to tell you where to shove it, you bastards.", and mostly..."No."

That image of Muhammed Ali telling Howard Cosell what time it was has stuck with me through my entire life.  When I am tempted to back down from what I know is right, in the face of authority, I remember that.  When I am tempted to make a shitty compromise, I remember that.  It is probably, IMO, the best thing any American ever said after Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine kicked the bucket, and I'd argue that it gives them a run for their money.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I am ashamed that I've never read Kipling.


...there goes another stack of books on the "read it, dummy" pile.

Kipling is wonderful and I suspect you will thoroughly enjoy him.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Incidentally, I maintain that Martin Luther King Jr did more for Whites than he did for Blacks.

Oh, absolutely!

And yes, the dinner party was amazing, and I put bacon in everything because FBF is in Mexico and this might be my only chance ever (she is Jewish).

1.  Excellent.  Also, is turkey kosher?  Because turkey bacon is pretty damn good.

2.  MLK did a lot to bring Blacks closer to equality in America, but he shamed Whites into being civilized.  Likewise, my personal hero, Muhammed Ali, in one sentence taught me how to walk upright:

"No Vietcong ever called me nigger."

There's a whole lot of freight in that one short sentence.  "I will not fight brown people for the benefit of rich White people who harm our own brown people." (you can substitute "poor" for "brown", and still have the same message), and "Non-serviam", and "I came all the way here to say FUCK YOU, while all the rich kids ran to America.  I will not run, and I will not obey.", and "I am willing to destroy my hugely successful career to tell you where to shove it, you bastards.", and mostly..."No."

That image of Muhammed Ali telling Howard Cosell what time it was has stuck with me through my entire life.  When I am tempted to back down from what I know is right, in the face of authority, I remember that.  When I am tempted to make a shitty compromise, I remember that.  It is probably, IMO, the best thing any American ever said after Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine kicked the bucket, and I'd argue that it gives them a run for their money.

Muhammed Ali has been a hero of mine ever since I saw him on Johnny Carson as a kid. Here is this black man, this fighter, and he is more eloquent and obviously THINKING than any white educated person I had ever seen on TV. Johnny himself was transfixed and deeply respectful, which all by itself was enough to make me defend the man when people later accused him of racism, sexism, and generally being a product of his generation.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

I have never quite lived up to that.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Incidentally, I maintain that Martin Luther King Jr did more for Whites than he did for Blacks.

Oh, absolutely!

And yes, the dinner party was amazing, and I put bacon in everything because FBF is in Mexico and this might be my only chance ever (she is Jewish).

1.  Excellent.  Also, is turkey kosher?  Because turkey bacon is pretty damn good.

2.  MLK did a lot to bring Blacks closer to equality in America, but he shamed Whites into being civilized.  Likewise, my personal hero, Muhammed Ali, in one sentence taught me how to walk upright:

"No Vietcong ever called me nigger."

There's a whole lot of freight in that one short sentence.  "I will not fight brown people for the benefit of rich White people who harm our own brown people." (you can substitute "poor" for "brown", and still have the same message), and "Non-serviam", and "I came all the way here to say FUCK YOU, while all the rich kids ran to America.  I will not run, and I will not obey.", and "I am willing to destroy my hugely successful career to tell you where to shove it, you bastards.", and mostly..."No."

That image of Muhammed Ali telling Howard Cosell what time it was has stuck with me through my entire life.  When I am tempted to back down from what I know is right, in the face of authority, I remember that.  When I am tempted to make a shitty compromise, I remember that.  It is probably, IMO, the best thing any American ever said after Patrick Henry and Thomas Paine kicked the bucket, and I'd argue that it gives them a run for their money.

Muhammed Ali has been a hero of mine ever since I saw him on Johnny Carson as a kid. Here is this black man, this fighter, and he is more eloquent and obviously THINKING than any white educated person I had ever seen on TV. Johnny himself was transfixed and deeply respectful, which all by itself was enough to make me defend the man when people later accused him of racism, sexism, and generally being a product of his generation.

Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee.

I have never quite lived up to that.

When he spoke to Cosell outside of the courthouse, cosell stopped walking and stood there looking like someone had kicked him.

I don't know anyone who CAN live up to that, but I try.  He's the best example of what America was supposed to be that I can think of, and I made sure my kids saw the video of the rant he gave.

[LMNO]

Just as an aside, one of the things I love is that we can have a discussion like this in a thread called, "you are all faggots and nobody likes you". And it feels totally natural.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Just as an aside, one of the things I love is that we can have a discussion like this in a thread called, "you are all faggots and nobody likes you". And it feels totally natural.

As someone once said, only at PD can a perfectly good troll thread devolve into a proper discussion.   

[BadBeast]

For the record, the fact that I even identify as black is a matter of deeply-entrenched American racism.

My DAUGHTER identifies as black. We are talking about some serious one-drop-rule bullshit here.

I am legally black though. She is not. I don't even know how to feel about that.

Shit, a couple of cones and half an hour of Outbreak riddim, and I identify as black too.