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The Good Reverend Roger

#75
February 14, 2012, 05:58:05 PM
Fuck it, I've stopped worrying about it.

If you can't beat 'em, join 'em.  Join them until their eyes bleed.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Q. G. Pennyworth

#76
February 14, 2012, 06:38:26 PM
I JUST GOT HERE, IT'S NOT MY FAULT  :baw:

Triple Zero

#77
February 14, 2012, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:40:41 PMLook, we've lost more than 50% of our regular posters in the last year (Semaj, Remmy, Richter, Payne, etc, I could go on but you get the point), and it MIGHT have something to do with the fact that nobody fucking SAYS anything anymore.  No matter how much work you put into something, it just gets views, and MAYBE 10% of the conversation it would have gotten in 2010.

But it that correlation or causation? Or reverse causation?

Did I change? By which I mean, did my posting style change? I don't know, I don't think so.

ANYWAY

Did we end up emailing all those glorious people that left, yet? Actually, Davedim came along but didn't stick, are we that boring? MGD/TTM has decided PD doesn't have a place in his life anymore, except for occasionally being an alien dick to people, Syn is only rarely here (too busy with his family or job?), what happened to Idem? Liam got into some argument or fight that I don't quite understand or even took place here, but doesn't seem to have been that attached to PD, ever. Too many people dislike ENKI (stuck in the uncanny valley of understanding between a normal person and hirley0) What's LHX doing? And Darth Cupcake and Eve? Anyone else? These are the ones whose person left an impression on me that I haven't seen recently--there's probably more (but if you're offended not being in the list, just speak up! ;-) )

Giving it some thought, I always check back on my web communities of the past, increasingly rarely with time of course, but I do, so they can't have forgotten or anything. I don't think there's much use in clinging to the past--these people have decided they have other things to do than spend time on PD, which is fine, because I can't imagine them being anything but glorious Discordians at whatever they're doing now.

The only use of such a mass mail would be to actually hand-pick over a hundred of past members that disappeared, being prepared that some may just keep silent, some may pop their head in but won't stick, and doing it for the few that will give it another shot--even if it's not the ones you hoped for. So, just a numbers game.

OR SOMETHING ELSE?

I think our best bet is to start another recruiting run. Somehow. I don't know how.

But, as Nigel pointed out, we should do it without proselytizing.

Quotehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proselytize

proselytize]/b]
1. (intransitive) To encourage or induce people to join a religious movement, political party, or other cause or organization.
2. (transitive) To convert (someone) to one's own faith or beliefs.

So that leaves:

- Getting people that already identify with Discordianism to get their juicy asses over here. If you count "random diffusion", this is our current method. It kind of works, except 9/10 of these people are shitheads that we don't want, and it leaves horrible bloodstains all over the forum, in the form of derailed threads and other trainwrecks. The 1 in 10 is worth it though.

- Getting cool people here that don't know it yet but fit right in, because they (naturally) never considered their "thing" would have a label. This means looking out for such people, both online and IRL, and inviting them.

- Getting cool people here that would really like [our brand of] Discordia if only they heard about it. Without proselytizing at them, or something. I suppose that means just getting our stuff out there (online and IRL) but make sure there's a link to PD.com at the bottom so that people that really dig it, know where to follow.

- Dunno if there's other ways, but I think it'll fall under the previous, as long as you define "getting our stuff out there" broadly enough. Like the ongoing "Secret Text Vault" GASM and other such pranks, mindfucks, puzzles and trolls.

Got any other ideas? Would this help? Is this stupid? Is it still proselytizing?

BTW one method I use to ensure a post I spent a lot of effort on (like this one) gets more replies, is by asking a lot of questions in it (like I did), because it's easier for people to reply to a direct question than to write something insightful about a long post, as well as it gives direction to where you want discussion to go.

And RWHN sorry for completely jacking your Star Wars discussion ;-)
Ex-Soviet Bloc Sexual Attack Swede of Tomorrow™
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Nephew Twiddleton

#78
February 14, 2012, 06:52:16 PM
Eve still comes on here time and again, though not with any regularity.

That reminds me, I should get a beer with her sometime soon.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

The Good Reverend Roger

#79
February 14, 2012, 06:54:10 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 06:47:04 PM
Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on February 14, 2012, 05:40:41 PMLook, we've lost more than 50% of our regular posters in the last year (Semaj, Remmy, Richter, Payne, etc, I could go on but you get the point), and it MIGHT have something to do with the fact that nobody fucking SAYS anything anymore.  No matter how much work you put into something, it just gets views, and MAYBE 10% of the conversation it would have gotten in 2010.

But it that correlation or causation? Or reverse causation?

Did I change? By which I mean, did my posting style change? I don't know, I don't think so.

ANYWAY

Did we end up emailing all those glorious people that left, yet? Actually, Davedim came along but didn't stick, are we that boring? MGD/TTM has decided PD doesn't have a place in his life anymore, except for occasionally being an alien dick to people, Syn is only rarely here (too busy with his family or job?), what happened to Idem? Liam got into some argument or fight that I don't quite understand or even took place here, but doesn't seem to have been that attached to PD, ever. Too many people dislike ENKI (stuck in the uncanny valley of understanding between a normal person and hirley0) What's LHX doing? And Darth Cupcake and Eve? Anyone else? These are the ones whose person left an impression on me that I haven't seen recently--there's probably more (but if you're offended not being in the list, just speak up! ;-) )

Giving it some thought, I always check back on my web communities of the past, increasingly rarely with time of course, but I do, so they can't have forgotten or anything. I don't think there's much use in clinging to the past--these people have decided they have other things to do than spend time on PD, which is fine, because I can't imagine them being anything but glorious Discordians at whatever they're doing now.

The only use of such a mass mail would be to actually hand-pick over a hundred of past members that disappeared, being prepared that some may just keep silent, some may pop their head in but won't stick, and doing it for the few that will give it another shot--even if it's not the ones you hoped for. So, just a numbers game.

OR SOMETHING ELSE?

I think our best bet is to start another recruiting run. Somehow. I don't know how.

But, as Nigel pointed out, we should do it without proselytizing.

Quotehttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/proselytize

proselytize]/b]
1. (intransitive) To encourage or induce people to join a religious movement, political party, or other cause or organization.
2. (transitive) To convert (someone) to one's own faith or beliefs.

So that leaves:

- Getting people that already identify with Discordianism to get their juicy asses over here. If you count "random diffusion", this is our current method. It kind of works, except 9/10 of these people are shitheads that we don't want, and it leaves horrible bloodstains all over the forum, in the form of derailed threads and other trainwrecks. The 1 in 10 is worth it though.

- Getting cool people here that don't know it yet but fit right in, because they (naturally) never considered their "thing" would have a label. This means looking out for such people, both online and IRL, and inviting them.

- Getting cool people here that would really like [our brand of] Discordia if only they heard about it. Without proselytizing at them, or something. I suppose that means just getting our stuff out there (online and IRL) but make sure there's a link to PD.com at the bottom so that people that really dig it, know where to follow.

- Dunno if there's other ways, but I think it'll fall under the previous, as long as you define "getting our stuff out there" broadly enough. Like the ongoing "Secret Text Vault" GASM and other such pranks, mindfucks, puzzles and trolls.

Got any other ideas? Would this help? Is this stupid? Is it still proselytizing?

BTW one method I use to ensure a post I spent a lot of effort on (like this one) gets more replies, is by asking a lot of questions in it (like I did), because it's easier for people to reply to a direct question than to write something insightful about a long post, as well as it gives direction to where you want discussion to go.

And RWHN sorry for completely jacking your Star Wars discussion ;-)

I'm busy snailmailing some of our awol members.  I've called a few...Lizzay isn't coming back, not because she doesn't like us, but because she's sworn off the interbutts entirely.   Liam has apparently lost his mind (I can't make any sense at all out of what he's accused me of, I guess I was just convenient), a few left because they can't handle other peoples' drama, some because FB is more likely to yield a conversation, and the rest I am unsure about at this time.

Fact:  "I don't want to force it" sounds a lot like "I can't be bothered".

I predicted all of this, mind you, when the IRC chat first went online.  The board hasn't been the same since...The funniest bit is that nobody even talks THERE.  There's constantly 20+ people online, and they're ALL AFK.

We're an absentee religion.  :lol:

Or at least a really lazy one.  I mean, shit, everyone here is creative as fuck when they want to be.  It's just that nobody seems to want to be creative, anymore.  It's easier to plead incompetence and wait for someone else to post something worth reading.

We're turning into the fucking Rotarians. 

The fucking HORROR.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

AFK

#80
February 14, 2012, 06:55:41 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 06:47:04 PM
And RWHN sorry for completely jacking your Star Wars discussion ;)


No worries.  I was more venting.  I didn't actually anticipate it turning into much of a discussion. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Nephew Twiddleton

#81
February 14, 2012, 06:58:33 PM
I see what you're saying Roger.

I think at the moment my creative gears are shifted a little bit. Maybe I should just make more creative.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

LMNO

#82
February 14, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
You're recording an album.  I think you might be fairly preoccupied already.

The Good Reverend Roger

#83
February 14, 2012, 06:59:59 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 14, 2012, 06:59:16 PM
You're recording an album.  I think you might be fairly preoccupied already.

I reject the notion that being creative uses up your creativity.  On the contrary, the more creative you are, the more creative you'll be.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

LMNO

#84
February 14, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
I understand what you mean, I was thinking more in terms of increased creativity, different medium being focused on.


LMNO
-yeah, I ended that with a preposition.  What are you gonna do about it?

The Good Reverend Roger

#85
February 14, 2012, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 14, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
I understand what you mean, I was thinking more in terms of increased creativity, different medium being focused on.


LMNO
-yeah, I ended that with a preposition.  What are you gonna do about it?

1.  The medium shouldn't matter.  Hell, when I can't think of anything, I either doodle or leave shitty messages on peoples' phones.  Pretty soon, I have an idea.

2.  I am going to look at you in a vaguely disappointed way, as if you had suddenly announced both a love of NASCAR, and your intent to grow a mullet.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Nephew Twiddleton

#86
February 14, 2012, 07:04:15 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) on February 14, 2012, 07:01:41 PM
I understand what you mean, I was thinking more in terms of increased creativity, different medium being focused on.


LMNO
-yeah, I ended that with a preposition.  What are you gonna do about it?

Yep, that's what I meant by gears being shifted. Maybe I can spread it out a bit more.
Strange and Terrible Organ Laminator of Yesterday's Heavy Scene
Sentence or sentence fragment pending

Soy El Vaquero Peludo de Oro

TIM AM I, PRIMARY OF THE EXTRA-ATMOSPHERIC SIMIANS

AFK

#87
February 14, 2012, 07:05:31 PM
Quote from: LMNO, PhD (life continues) link=topic=31625.msg1147369#msg1147369
LMNO
-yeah, I ended that with a preposition.  What arei]you[/i] gonna do about it?


At least you aren't waving around your dangling modifier. 
Cynicism is a blank check for failure.

Triple Zero

#88
February 14, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
I don't think IRC has much to do with it. At least half the people there never even had an account on PD. And before that time, when most of em were PDers, there was actually quite a lot of interesting projects coming from that place, given the real-time nature of IRC chat (which I don't think a forum is especially suitable for).

Squeezing more creative content out of the current posters delivers amazing shit every time we manage it, but it doesn't last, and it's never really new but usually a sort of BIP addendum. Nothing wrong with that, it's great, but I don't see it as a solution to the problem we're sketching here.

I still think we should get new blood.

And maybe a lot of people spagging around on FB is a problem?? Sucking away creative energy? I wouldn't know because I'm not on FB. What are your thoughts?
Ex-Soviet Bloc Sexual Attack Swede of Tomorrow™
e-prime disclaimer: let it seem fairly unclear I understand the apparent subjectivity of the above statements. maybe.

INFORMATION SO POWERFUL, YOU ACTUALLY NEED LESS.

The Good Reverend Roger

#89
February 14, 2012, 08:14:08 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on February 14, 2012, 08:12:19 PM
I still think we should get new blood.

And maybe a lot of people spagging around on FB is a problem?? Sucking away creative energy? I wouldn't know because I'm not on FB. What are your thoughts?

1.  Yep.  However, our attempts to deliberately do this in the past have uniformly met with disaster.  I am open to suggestions.

2.  Facebook is an evil, twisted, mind-sucking abomination.   
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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