More of a complaint than a rant; it's about you.

[Danjanon]

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

Many of us here wonder the exact same thing.

[Placid Dingo]

I think the main concept was to emphasise disorder instead of order because it went against the grain of what was generally emphasised in religion.

[Danjanon]

I can understand that. It's a kind of bringing balance to the force kind of thing.

[Cain]

I believe balance is an illusion.  Reality tends to extremes.  Nevertheless, I agree that the focus purely on disorder is somewhat disappointing, and may not happen if more Discordians were acquainted with Guy Debord:

"VICTORY WILL BE FOR THOSE WHO WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE DISORDER WITHOUT LOVING IT"

[Faust]

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

Painting with broad strokes are you.

Some of us believe chaos is the natural state of the universe and society and believe that it is only through illumination that one world order can come about.

[Danjanon]

I believe balance is an illusion.  Reality tends to extremes.  Nevertheless, I agree that the focus purely on disorder is somewhat disappointing, and may not happen if more Discordians were acquainted with Guy Debord:

"VICTORY WILL BE FOR THOSE WHO WILL BE ABLE TO CREATE DISORDER WITHOUT LOVING IT"

Where would you suggest I start if I wanted to read some Debord?

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

Painting with broad strokes are you.

Some of us believe chaos is the natural state of the universe and society and believe that it is only through illumination that one world order can come about.

That's too true, they were broad strokes. I usually find that broad strokes are a good place to start these sorts of things, especially if you haven't seen the whole picture yet. The discussion helps fine tune the detail. (Go team metaphor!)

[Cain]

http://www.cddc.vt.edu/sionline/si/situ.html is a good start.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

I think a lot of it is that we're currently living in an environment with an overabundance of destructive order. It's very difficult to make room for creative order with all the destructive order around, and the only way to clear that out is with some destructive disorder. The other option available to us is creative disorder, so either way if your goal is to make the world a more fun place for your game, disorder is on the table.
There is also a lot of cultural stigma against disorder, so the fact that our religi-joke-sophy embraces it even in part means that's the primary difference between discordianism and everything else, so that's what it's judged by.

[Cramulus]

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

We live in Ordered times

Disorder will lead us hand in hand in Aftermath

but the Discordian preference for Disorder is based on living in the season of Bureaucracy


If we lived in total anarchy, running around shirtless, screaming, stabbing each other with pointy sticks, the Discordians would be building bridges and governments.


the Principia suggests that if you're going to pick a side, pick creative over destructive, and humor over seriousness. But don't get too anal about it  - they're all just tools for different situations.

[P3nT4gR4m]

[AFK]

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

I think it would be more accurate to posit that some Discordians are obsessed with disorder over order.  I think those would tend to be your immature newbies who are into it for the "wrong" reasons.  I think an individual who had a more in-depth association with the philosophies of Discordia would tend to not make too much of a fuss over order/disorder and instead, as others have mentioned, look more towards the balance of creative/destructive. 

It is easy to come to a hasty conclusions that you need to combat the straightjacket order that comes from governments with disorder.  But that can easily go awry, especially if you are using some kind of destructive disorder that creates collateral damage.  Your cause will be in rough shape if you end up getting the public against you as well. 

On a more personal level, I tend to think creative order can have an important place in a person's life.  Music as a vehicle for expression is a good example.  Because, music really is a form of creative order.  Organizing notes and tones and rhythms in a certain pattern to manifest a piece of music.  This can be used to convey information, to rally people, or, to bring piece to the composer/performer. 

The thing with creative order, I think, is that it is maybe a little harder, or a little less apparent a tool compared to destructive disorder.  Which is probably, again, why people new to the philosophy and into it for more superficial reasons, might instantly gravitate to that end. 

[LMNO]

Two things you might like reading:

The New Chart:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,5054.30/msg,495986.html

And, the Chao te Ching
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Sacred_Chao_Te_Ching

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder?

What the fuck are you jabbering about?

[Danjanon]

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

We live in Ordered times

Disorder will lead us hand in hand in Aftermath

but the Discordian preference for Disorder is based on living in the season of Bureaucracy


If we lived in total anarchy, running around shirtless, screaming, stabbing each other with pointy sticks, the Discordians would be building bridges and governments.


the Principia suggests that if you're going to pick a side, pick creative over destructive, and humor over seriousness. But don't get too anal about it  - they're all just tools for different situations.

This thread is one of those wonderful situations where I'm happy to be completely wrong.

What is with the Discordian obsession with disorder? My understanding is that the sacred chao  shows that order and disorder, though both illusions are equal. They are both made of chaos and you can see this in action when a politician or other vogon makes a stupid decision.

This came out much more seriously than intended :S

I think it would be more accurate to posit that some Discordians are obsessed with disorder over order.  I think those would tend to be your immature newbies who are into it for the "wrong" reasons.  I think an individual who had a more in-depth association with the philosophies of Discordia would tend to not make too much of a fuss over order/disorder and instead, as others have mentioned, look more towards the balance of creative/destructive. 

It is easy to come to a hasty conclusions that you need to combat the straightjacket order that comes from governments with disorder.  But that can easily go awry, especially if you are using some kind of destructive disorder that creates collateral damage.  Your cause will be in rough shape if you end up getting the public against you as well. 

On a more personal level, I tend to think creative order can have an important place in a person's life.  Music as a vehicle for expression is a good example.  Because, music really is a form of creative order.  Organizing notes and tones and rhythms in a certain pattern to manifest a piece of music.  This can be used to convey information, to rally people, or, to bring piece to the composer/performer. 

The thing with creative order, I think, is that it is maybe a little harder, or a little less apparent a tool compared to destructive disorder.  Which is probably, again, why people new to the philosophy and into it for more superficial reasons, might instantly gravitate to that end. 

I think I've had more experience with those who were in it in for the wrong reasons. You guys are a breath of fresh air 

Two things you might like reading:

The New Chart:
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,5054.30/msg,495986.html

And, the Chao te Ching
http://www.principiadiscordia.com/cramulus/index.php?title=Sacred_Chao_Te_Ching

The New Chart is fantastic; very clear. I may have posterise. I'm really keen to read the Chao te Ching, but would love a physical copy. Do they post down under?