Family of Florida boy killed by Neighborhood Watch seeks arrest

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

This is why juries need to be educated about juror nullification. Zimmerman doesn't deny that he killed the kid, if the "stand your ground" law is wrong in this instance than the jury can just say that and, well, probably result in an appeal or mistrial because the fucking justice system hates that shit.

Seriously, everyone on that jury and prosecution needs to be slapped in the face just once.

Even without "stand your ground" I don't think the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman's claim of self-defense was false. Of course, thats based on what I've read in the reports, rather than first hand knowledge. However, if they couldn't disprove Zimmerman's claim that Martin was on top of him, beating him, then I don't see how the jury could have found otherwise in the claim of second degree, manslaughter on the other hand would have been possible, but still...

I think the killer evidence was that the defense had expert testimony which said the forensic evidence was in-line with Zimmerman's claims and the prosecution didn't have any experts that claimed otherwise. So I'd agree the prosecution needs slapped, but I dunno about the jury.

On the other hand, I doubt it will be difficult for the Martins to win the civil cases thatr are sure to come.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

This is why juries need to be educated about juror nullification. Zimmerman doesn't deny that he killed the kid, if the "stand your ground" law is wrong in this instance than the jury can just say that and, well, probably result in an appeal or mistrial because the fucking justice system hates that shit.

Seriously, everyone on that jury and prosecution needs to be slapped in the face just once.

Even without "stand your ground" I don't think the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman's claim of self-defense was false. Of course, thats based on what I've read in the reports, rather than first hand knowledge. However, if they couldn't disprove Zimmerman's claim that Martin was on top of him, beating him, then I don't see how the jury could have found otherwise in the claim of second degree, manslaughter on the other hand would have been possible, but still...

I think the killer evidence was that the defense had expert testimony which said the forensic evidence was in-line with Zimmerman's claims and the prosecution didn't have any experts that claimed otherwise. So I'd agree the prosecution needs slapped, but I dunno about the jury.

On the other hand, I doubt it will be difficult for the Martins to win the civil cases thatr are sure to come.

One of the links I saw last night said that part of SYG is immunity to civil suits.
OTOH the NAACP is petitioning the DOJ. http://www.salon.com/2013/07/14/naacp_urges_doj_to_press_federal_civil_rights_charges_against_george_zimmerman/singleton/

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/14/riot.html

Videos of rioting in Miami began circulating quickly after last night's not guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman murder trial....Except there was no riot in Miami. The video was from the 2011 Stanley Cup Riot in Vancouver, Canada.

Nice try, fuckfaces. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/14/riot.html

Videos of rioting in Miami began circulating quickly after last night's not guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman murder trial....Except there was no riot in Miami. The video was from the 2011 Stanley Cup Riot in Vancouver, Canada.

Nice try, fuckfaces. 

I think everyone's just too fucking depressed to riot.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

http://www.politicususa.com/2013/07/14/riot.html

Videos of rioting in Miami began circulating quickly after last night's not guilty verdict in the George Zimmerman murder trial....Except there was no riot in Miami. The video was from the 2011 Stanley Cup Riot in Vancouver, Canada.

Nice try, fuckfaces. 

I think everyone's just too fucking depressed to riot.

Yeah. It's like Civil Rights never happened.

[Golden Applesauce]

It boils down to reasonable doubt, the prosecution sucked... so I don't blame the jury. There is little doubt that he racially profiled and stalked... but the case was about the confrontation and I don't think the prosecution could nail the case.

What I don't get is... if you stalk somebody and they do confront you, aren't you the aggressor for stalking them in the first place? What was Trayvon supposed to do, outrun him and a bullet? If you put someone into a fight-or-flight situation, and then deny them the opportunity for flight, you can't very well complain if they choose to fight.

[Pergamos]

Especcially when you compare that to this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

Apparently you are only allowed to stand your ground when shooting at black people.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Especcially when you compare that to this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

Apparently you are only allowed to stand your ground when shooting at black people.

That's the whole point of SYG.

[Durivan]

The story behind that woman's case is her ex forced his way into her home, she then went to get her gun. She then had the encounter with him, still inside her house, in which she fired the warning shot.  They used the fact that she went to get her gun after the initial confrontation to say that it wasn't self defense.

I guess Florida law would be okay though if she kept in on her at all times then pulled it out and blasted him a few times in the chest when he first came in.  That seems to be what they are saying.

[Pergamos]

The story behind that woman's case is her ex forced his way into her home, she then went to get her gun. She then had the encounter with him, still inside her house, in which she fired the warning shot.  They used the fact that she went to get her gun after the initial confrontation to say that it wasn't self defense.

I guess Florida law would be okay though if she kept in on her at all times then pulled it out and blasted him a few times in the chest when he first came in.  That seems to be what they are saying.

Nah, they'd have been ok with it if she wasn't black.

[Durivan]

Probably.  I was just stating what the prosecutors used to claim she wasn't entitled to self defense.  A claim that I think is ridiculous by itself.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

In FL, it appears your right to self defense is determined by your lack of pigment relative to the other person's. That's why Zimmerman is "white" in this instance. If he'd shot an actual white guy, even one that broke in his house, there's be an outcry about "illegals" and he'd be in prison already.

[Left]

What I don't get is... if you stalk somebody and they do confront you, aren't you the aggressor for stalking them in the first place?

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO! 
Zimmerman chased the kid down!

Zimmerman started the fight.  Even if he was getting his ass kicked, he STILL started the confrontation.
If I as a guard did that shit?  I would expect to bloody well go to jail! 

...Except I'm not a stupid bigot, so I wouldn't do that.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

What I don't get is... if you stalk somebody and they do confront you, aren't you the aggressor for stalking them in the first place?

THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT TOO! 
Zimmerman chased the kid down!

Zimmerman started the fight.  Even if he was getting his ass kicked, he STILL started the confrontation.
If I as a guard did that shit?  I would expect to bloody well go to jail! 

...Except I'm not a stupid bigot, so I wouldn't do that.

We're about where Germany was in 1939, aren't we?

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Especcially when you compare that to this.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57433184/fla-mom-gets-20-years-for-firing-warning-shots/

Apparently you are only allowed to stand your ground when shooting at black people.