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Started by The Johnny, May 14, 2012, 07:10:50 AM

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Queen Gogira Pennyworth, BSW on May 14, 2012, 03:13:57 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2012, 03:03:28 PM
Does a pot smoker need help?  A person who drinks alcohol?  Because they're consenting to doing themselves damage, at least to some degree.

I don't smoke pot.  Why should I not stand on pot smokers getting "help"? 

On the other hand, I do smoke, which definitely results in permanent, possibly life-ending damage.  Should I be assigned "help", if I don't want to quit?

Lots of pot smokers, drinkers, and smokers need help, that's why they check themselves into rehab and hospitals and ask their doctors for prescription medication to help them quit. You are absolutely abusing yourself, and if you were unable to buy your own cigarettes because the cancer finally caught up with you, anyone who brought you more cigarettes would be abusing you. That doesn't mean that particular variety of abuse is criminal. "Needs help" and "should be forced to get help" aren't the same.

I'm arguing the "needs" part.  Driving a motorcycle is typically entertainment, but it's far more likely to kill you or seriously fuck you up than smoking is.

Does someone need help if they drive a motorcycle?
Molon Lube

Q. G. Pennyworth

Nah, you're right there. It just seems like things that do harm every time are less bad than things that are generally awesome, but could potentially go wrong once.

Sir Squid Diddimus

Guys.


THIRTY THOUSAND CALORIES A DAY

I can't even wrap my fucking head around that. I can't even produce that much food in one place in my IMAGINATION!

There are children on earth that have not a bowl of fucking rice! Why not just feed them to HER and solve the problem. She is making me sick. Not just from looking at her, but her idea that this is OK.
"I wanna be the fattest Jabba, tee hee"  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Fuck that, they should feed her to poor children.

Q. G. Pennyworth

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on May 14, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
Guys.


THIRTY THOUSAND CALORIES A DAY

I can't even wrap my fucking head around that. I can't even produce that much food in one place in my IMAGINATION!

There are children on earth that have not a bowl of fucking rice! Why not just feed them to HER and solve the problem. She is making me sick. Not just from looking at her, but her idea that this is OK.
"I wanna be the fattest Jabba, tee hee"  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Fuck that, they should feed her to poor children.

I'm pretty sure she would give them cholesterol problems.

P3nT4gR4m

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on May 14, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
Guys.


THIRTY THOUSAND CALORIES A DAY

I can't even wrap my fucking head around that. I can't even produce that much food in one place in my IMAGINATION!

There are children on earth that have not a bowl of fucking rice! Why not just feed them to HER and solve the problem. She is making me sick. Not just from looking at her, but her idea that this is OK.
"I wanna be the fattest Jabba, tee hee"  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Fuck that, they should feed her to poor children.

Try not equate the calorie intake with the starving children. A couple of billion dollars would benefit them, much more than some lardasses grocery cart. She's just perfectly within her legal, moral and ethical rights to do whatever the fuck she wants, including being the ugliest land whale that ever occupied a reinforced sofa. Might not be my idea of a good night out, hell, the useless fat slug might make me feel physically sick but I'll be bolloxed if I'm going to fuck with her right to do it.

Like roger said - I condone the prosecution of ugly fat fucks, I'd have to condone those fucking weirdos that want to make things like smoking pot and doing fucked up dangerous shit illegal, I'd be condemning myself.

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
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The Johnny

Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on May 14, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
Guys.


THIRTY THOUSAND CALORIES A DAY

I can't even wrap my fucking head around that. I can't even produce that much food in one place in my IMAGINATION!

There are children on earth that have not a bowl of fucking rice! Why not just feed them to HER and solve the problem. She is making me sick. Not just from looking at her, but her idea that this is OK.
"I wanna be the fattest Jabba, tee hee"  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Fuck that, they should feed her to poor children.

The male fiancee is a chef(Eman found love recently with Parker Clack, a 35-year-old chef she met on the Internet), so having a full time chef by your side certainly helps.

And no squid, beating a world record and appearing in media is WAY more important than feeding those that need food.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:05:29 PM

And no squid, beating a world record and appearing in media is WAY more important than feeding those that need food.

THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND HUMANS!  I'd rather skip rope with their INTESTINES than listen to ONE GODDAMN WORD that oozes out of their RANCID FAT FACES!  Being a Doktor is like being a receiving telepath who CAN'T SWITCH THE VOICES OFF!  Sparks fly off yer brain like you were Robby the Robot, losin' a battle with a rampaging ID!  Just a few minutes breathing MALL air with the humans and I BEGIN TO GET A RASH!  ITS AN ALLERGY!  Catapulting their PETS into their POOLS hasn't GOTTEN THE MESSAGE ACROSS!  They didn't get a CLUE when the dumptruck of spoiled SHRIMP was emptied onto their lawn!  All they did was BLUBBER when their Buick was replaced by a block of MY POOMP carved into the same shape!  They couldn't figure it out when 30 gallons of blue airplane poop was dropped onto their house from 30,000 feet!  What does it TAKE?

Molon Lube

The Johnny


"Abuse" is a word with a wide variety of connotations in a big spectrum of areas, but i dont think the factor of consent is present in most of them.

Even a quick view at wikipedia can show this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse

So if one's gonna equate all types of abuse into one category, then you are implying BDSM is just as bad as a hate-crime, parental abuse and pedophilia.

Quoteabuse (plural abuses)

    1. Improper treatment or usage; application to a wrong or bad purpose; misuse; perversion. [from 15th c]  [quotations ▼]
    2. Physical or verbal maltreatment; injury.
    3. Forcing of undesired sexual activity by one person on another
    4. An unjust, corrupt or wrongful practice or custom; offense; crime; fault.
    5. Coarse, insulting speech; abusive language.  [quotations ▼]

The transformation of the word into nowadays currently goes along with definition 4, so yeah.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:17:56 PM

"Abuse" is a word with a wide variety of connotations in a big spectrum of areas, but i dont think the factor of consent is present in most of them.

Even a quick view at wikipedia can show this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse

So if one's gonna equate all types of abuse into one category, then you are implying BDSM is just as bad as a hate-crime, parental abuse and pedophilia.

Quoteabuse (plural abuses)

    1. Improper treatment or usage; application to a wrong or bad purpose; misuse; perversion. [from 15th c]  [quotations ▼]
    2. Physical or verbal maltreatment; injury.
    3. Forcing of undesired sexual activity by one person on another
    4. An unjust, corrupt or wrongful practice or custom; offense; crime; fault.
    5. Coarse, insulting speech; abusive language.  [quotations ▼]

The transformation of the word into nowadays currently goes along with definition 4, so yeah.

I'm resting on #3.  If there's consent, there's no abuse.
Molon Lube

The Johnny

Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:05:29 PM

And no squid, beating a world record and appearing in media is WAY more important than feeding those that need food.

THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND HUMANS!  I'd rather skip rope with their INTESTINES than listen to ONE GODDAMN WORD that oozes out of their RANCID FAT FACES!  Being a Doktor is like being a receiving telepath who CAN'T SWITCH THE VOICES OFF!  Sparks fly off yer brain like you were Robby the Robot, losin' a battle with a rampaging ID!  Just a few minutes breathing MALL air with the humans and I BEGIN TO GET A RASH!  ITS AN ALLERGY!  Catapulting their PETS into their POOLS hasn't GOTTEN THE MESSAGE ACROSS!  They didn't get a CLUE when the dumptruck of spoiled SHRIMP was emptied onto their lawn!  All they did was BLUBBER when their Buick was replaced by a block of MY POOMP carved into the same shape!  They couldn't figure it out when 30 gallons of blue airplane poop was dropped onto their house from 30,000 feet!  What does it TAKE?

But Dok! It is their RIGHT and PRIVILEGE within a nation of FREEDOM to be as fat as they can be! You see, if we dare to critizice her RIGHT to do so, then its a slippery slope to TOTALITARISM, we can ONLY argue the extreme positions of FREEDOM or TOTALITARISM, because those are our only options and thats how the world works.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:05:29 PM

And no squid, beating a world record and appearing in media is WAY more important than feeding those that need food.

THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND HUMANS!  I'd rather skip rope with their INTESTINES than listen to ONE GODDAMN WORD that oozes out of their RANCID FAT FACES!  Being a Doktor is like being a receiving telepath who CAN'T SWITCH THE VOICES OFF!  Sparks fly off yer brain like you were Robby the Robot, losin' a battle with a rampaging ID!  Just a few minutes breathing MALL air with the humans and I BEGIN TO GET A RASH!  ITS AN ALLERGY!  Catapulting their PETS into their POOLS hasn't GOTTEN THE MESSAGE ACROSS!  They didn't get a CLUE when the dumptruck of spoiled SHRIMP was emptied onto their lawn!  All they did was BLUBBER when their Buick was replaced by a block of MY POOMP carved into the same shape!  They couldn't figure it out when 30 gallons of blue airplane poop was dropped onto their house from 30,000 feet!  What does it TAKE?

But Dok! It is their RIGHT and PRIVILEGE within a nation of FREEDOM to be as fat as they can be! You see, if we dare to critizice her RIGHT to do so, then its a slippery slope to TOTALITARISM, we can ONLY argue the extreme positions of FREEDOM or TOTALITARISM, because those are our only options and thats how the world works.

It is, actually.  You're either free or you're not.  There's no middle ground; there is no "semi-free".
Molon Lube

The Johnny

Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:05:29 PM

And no squid, beating a world record and appearing in media is WAY more important than feeding those that need food.

THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND HUMANS!  I'd rather skip rope with their INTESTINES than listen to ONE GODDAMN WORD that oozes out of their RANCID FAT FACES!  Being a Doktor is like being a receiving telepath who CAN'T SWITCH THE VOICES OFF!  Sparks fly off yer brain like you were Robby the Robot, losin' a battle with a rampaging ID!  Just a few minutes breathing MALL air with the humans and I BEGIN TO GET A RASH!  ITS AN ALLERGY!  Catapulting their PETS into their POOLS hasn't GOTTEN THE MESSAGE ACROSS!  They didn't get a CLUE when the dumptruck of spoiled SHRIMP was emptied onto their lawn!  All they did was BLUBBER when their Buick was replaced by a block of MY POOMP carved into the same shape!  They couldn't figure it out when 30 gallons of blue airplane poop was dropped onto their house from 30,000 feet!  What does it TAKE?

But Dok! It is their RIGHT and PRIVILEGE within a nation of FREEDOM to be as fat as they can be! You see, if we dare to critizice her RIGHT to do so, then its a slippery slope to TOTALITARISM, we can ONLY argue the extreme positions of FREEDOM or TOTALITARISM, because those are our only options and thats how the world works.

It is, actually.  You're either free or you're not.  There's no middle ground; there is no "semi-free".

Yes, i do agree with that.

What i was trying to imply is that we're conditioned (or maybe more Americans, im not sure) to think within the dichotomy of "free vs. not free" whereas one could think of "healthy vs. unhealthy" or say "how does this relate to other people locally or internationally?"
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:37:46 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:28:23 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on May 14, 2012, 08:12:31 PM
Quote from: Joh'Nyx on May 14, 2012, 08:05:29 PM

And no squid, beating a world record and appearing in media is WAY more important than feeding those that need food.

THIS IS WHY I CAN'T STAND HUMANS!  I'd rather skip rope with their INTESTINES than listen to ONE GODDAMN WORD that oozes out of their RANCID FAT FACES!  Being a Doktor is like being a receiving telepath who CAN'T SWITCH THE VOICES OFF!  Sparks fly off yer brain like you were Robby the Robot, losin' a battle with a rampaging ID!  Just a few minutes breathing MALL air with the humans and I BEGIN TO GET A RASH!  ITS AN ALLERGY!  Catapulting their PETS into their POOLS hasn't GOTTEN THE MESSAGE ACROSS!  They didn't get a CLUE when the dumptruck of spoiled SHRIMP was emptied onto their lawn!  All they did was BLUBBER when their Buick was replaced by a block of MY POOMP carved into the same shape!  They couldn't figure it out when 30 gallons of blue airplane poop was dropped onto their house from 30,000 feet!  What does it TAKE?

But Dok! It is their RIGHT and PRIVILEGE within a nation of FREEDOM to be as fat as they can be! You see, if we dare to critizice her RIGHT to do so, then its a slippery slope to TOTALITARISM, we can ONLY argue the extreme positions of FREEDOM or TOTALITARISM, because those are our only options and thats how the world works.

It is, actually.  You're either free or you're not.  There's no middle ground; there is no "semi-free".

Yes, i do agree with that.

What i was trying to imply is that we're conditioned (or maybe more Americans, im not sure) to think within the dichotomy of "free vs. not free" whereas one could think of "healthy vs. unhealthy" or say "how does this relate to other people locally or internationally?"

Americans actually think "freedom" means "gluttony", and not just with respect to food. 

For example, there are more ipods in America than there are in Mexico.  Ergo, we are free and you live in a banana republic.

You're not really free if the aircraft carrier you drive on the freeway every day gets more than 12 miles per gallon.

Freedom means supersizing.  It means UNLIMITED DATA.  It means TIVO or CDR, so you can watch ALL the CRAP you want, all day long.  It means the Certified Pre-Owned Lexus YOU deserve.  It means owing more money on your house, cars, and credit cards than the nation of Guatamala has in their national budget.  It means listening to Talk Radio, so you know what to think for yourself.  It means 5 gallon jugs of pickles at WalMart.  It means building a big stupid Goddamn fence on the Southern border of Arizona because ILLEGALS want to TAKE OUR STUFF.

It means supporting the troops, by getting as many of them maimed or killed as possible.  It means the American Legion, the Rotarians, the Tea Party, and Ayn Rand in your Christmas stocking.

We know all about Freedom™ up here, Johnny.  We invented it.
Molon Lube

Freeky

Freedom means Gluttony.  I hate and love that.

The Johnny

Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on May 14, 2012, 03:58:27 PM
Quote from: Sir Squid Diddimus on May 14, 2012, 03:30:21 PM
Guys.


THIRTY THOUSAND CALORIES A DAY

I can't even wrap my fucking head around that. I can't even produce that much food in one place in my IMAGINATION!

There are children on earth that have not a bowl of fucking rice! Why not just feed them to HER and solve the problem. She is making me sick. Not just from looking at her, but her idea that this is OK.
"I wanna be the fattest Jabba, tee hee"  :argh!: :argh!: :argh!:

Fuck that, they should feed her to poor children.

Try not equate the calorie intake with the starving children. A couple of billion dollars would benefit them, much more than some lardasses grocery cart. She's just perfectly within her legal, moral and ethical rights to do whatever the fuck she wants, including being the ugliest land whale that ever occupied a reinforced sofa. Might not be my idea of a good night out, hell, the useless fat slug might make me feel physically sick but I'll be bolloxed if I'm going to fuck with her right to do it.

Like roger said - I condone the prosecution of ugly fat fucks, I'd have to condone those fucking weirdos that want to make things like smoking pot and doing fucked up dangerous shit illegal, I'd be condemning myself.

What i really think that resonates with this whole thing -as a symbol or representative of how things work- is how one person has the privilege, monetary surplus and free time to waste on something so stupid as breaking a world record for fatness while others have no choice but to starve or survive on borderline famine.

I think this goes beyond whats legal or illegal, allowed or not allowed, its about privilege and inequality.
<<My image in some places, is of a monster of some kind who wants to pull a string and manipulate people. Nothing could be further from the truth. People are manipulated; I just want them to be manipulated more effectively.>>

-B.F. Skinner