dangerous territory/devil's advocate

[Faust]

Safe or unsafe only come into play on a personal level of the responsibility of the individual, if you have irresponsible, impulsive or stupid people, you get high gun death and high gun crime. I also don't think people having guns keeps any kind of government in check. In fact I think they use it as an easy issue to rally numbers from the pro or against crowd.

There are several high power, volatile or toxic things I would enjoy keeping upon my person and though it would be highly entertaining if everyone else was entitled to as well it's not a place I would consider living or having a family.

I guess that's what it boils down to, the more rights and freedom the lowest common denominator has to dangerous or stupid shit, the shittier the quality of life in that region but the most morally pure.

I don't know about that, Faust.  I live in a state that allows anyone 18 years old or older, who has no felony or domestic violent misdemeanors on their record, to carry a firearm, openly or concealed.

We had 35 murders in 2009, in a population almost exactly the same as Dublin's.  9 of them were committed with firearms.  Most of the rest were the standard Tucson "knife 'em and toss them in a dumpster" murders.

Dublin's results were 19 gang-related shootings by November.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-Europe-69575922.html

So I don't think legalization has much to do with whether or not a particular place is a good place to raise a family.

That's true. And six of those shootings were at that Giffords ladies political rally, so maybe politicians should be scared of uprisings. Shame about that 9 year old though.

In fact the with Dublin our gun crimes are even more concentrated with nearly every one of those 19 shootings happening within a ten mile radius all centring around the black horse inn and two drug families. Of course Cork where I live has had two shootings in the last ten years and both of which were by those same drug families.

Then there's northern Ireland and the endless kneecapping.

I always make the mistake of looking at the whole US for these kind of things, where when I hear gun crime I think of the sprawling urban decay of the rougher cities.

[Faust]

Also while certainly it wasnt the only factor- guns do make a difference against a government. If it didnt youd be british and id have dual citizenship with the united kingdom.

And to a greater extent the war, if Germany didn't have guns England would have been able to afford to keep Ireland. The real Major factor was that we were a money pit for the UK in that period, in fact we still are with the north...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Safe or unsafe only come into play on a personal level of the responsibility of the individual, if you have irresponsible, impulsive or stupid people, you get high gun death and high gun crime. I also don't think people having guns keeps any kind of government in check. In fact I think they use it as an easy issue to rally numbers from the pro or against crowd.

There are several high power, volatile or toxic things I would enjoy keeping upon my person and though it would be highly entertaining if everyone else was entitled to as well it's not a place I would consider living or having a family.

I guess that's what it boils down to, the more rights and freedom the lowest common denominator has to dangerous or stupid shit, the shittier the quality of life in that region but the most morally pure.

I don't know about that, Faust.  I live in a state that allows anyone 18 years old or older, who has no felony or domestic violent misdemeanors on their record, to carry a firearm, openly or concealed.

We had 35 murders in 2009, in a population almost exactly the same as Dublin's.  9 of them were committed with firearms.  Most of the rest were the standard Tucson "knife 'em and toss them in a dumpster" murders.

Dublin's results were 19 gang-related shootings by November.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-Europe-69575922.html

So I don't think legalization has much to do with whether or not a particular place is a good place to raise a family.

That's true. And six of those shootings were at that Giffords ladies political rally, so maybe politicians should be scared of uprisings. Shame about that 9 year old though.

In fact the with Dublin our gun crimes are even more concentrated with nearly every one of those 19 shootings happening within a ten mile radius all centring around the black horse inn and two drug families. Of course Cork where I live has had two shootings in the last ten years and both of which were by those same drug families.

Then there's northern Ireland and the endless kneecapping.

I always make the mistake of looking at the whole US for these kind of things, where when I hear gun crime I think of the sprawling urban decay of the rougher cities.

1.  Mentally ill people will find a way. 

2.  It isn't the urban sectors here that you have to watch out for, it's when you're out in the land of the billygoons.  Our rural areas are, per capita, far more dangerous than our cities.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I cant speak for other cities but most of the murders that occur in boston are stabbings. It makes a certain amount of sense. Its discreet.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I cant speak for other cities but most of the murders that occur in boston are stabbings. It makes a certain amount of sense. Its discreet.

And it doesn't disturb the neighbors.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Granted we do have shootings but theyre all between gang members with a rare exception and are usually a late night execution sort of thing or so it generally seems.

[Faust]

Safe or unsafe only come into play on a personal level of the responsibility of the individual, if you have irresponsible, impulsive or stupid people, you get high gun death and high gun crime. I also don't think people having guns keeps any kind of government in check. In fact I think they use it as an easy issue to rally numbers from the pro or against crowd.

There are several high power, volatile or toxic things I would enjoy keeping upon my person and though it would be highly entertaining if everyone else was entitled to as well it's not a place I would consider living or having a family.

I guess that's what it boils down to, the more rights and freedom the lowest common denominator has to dangerous or stupid shit, the shittier the quality of life in that region but the most morally pure.

I don't know about that, Faust.  I live in a state that allows anyone 18 years old or older, who has no felony or domestic violent misdemeanors on their record, to carry a firearm, openly or concealed.

We had 35 murders in 2009, in a population almost exactly the same as Dublin's.  9 of them were committed with firearms.  Most of the rest were the standard Tucson "knife 'em and toss them in a dumpster" murders.

Dublin's results were 19 gang-related shootings by November.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-Europe-69575922.html

So I don't think legalization has much to do with whether or not a particular place is a good place to raise a family.

That's true. And six of those shootings were at that Giffords ladies political rally, so maybe politicians should be scared of uprisings. Shame about that 9 year old though.

In fact the with Dublin our gun crimes are even more concentrated with nearly every one of those 19 shootings happening within a ten mile radius all centring around the black horse inn and two drug families. Of course Cork where I live has had two shootings in the last ten years and both of which were by those same drug families.

Then there's northern Ireland and the endless kneecapping.

I always make the mistake of looking at the whole US for these kind of things, where when I hear gun crime I think of the sprawling urban decay of the rougher cities.

1.  Mentally ill people will find a way. 

2.  It isn't the urban sectors here that you have to watch out for, it's when you're out in the land of the billygoons.  Our rural areas are, per capita, far more dangerous than our cities.

All I know of hill billies is the portrayal on TV. Seems terrifying.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Safe or unsafe only come into play on a personal level of the responsibility of the individual, if you have irresponsible, impulsive or stupid people, you get high gun death and high gun crime. I also don't think people having guns keeps any kind of government in check. In fact I think they use it as an easy issue to rally numbers from the pro or against crowd.

There are several high power, volatile or toxic things I would enjoy keeping upon my person and though it would be highly entertaining if everyone else was entitled to as well it's not a place I would consider living or having a family.

I guess that's what it boils down to, the more rights and freedom the lowest common denominator has to dangerous or stupid shit, the shittier the quality of life in that region but the most morally pure.

I don't know about that, Faust.  I live in a state that allows anyone 18 years old or older, who has no felony or domestic violent misdemeanors on their record, to carry a firearm, openly or concealed.

We had 35 murders in 2009, in a population almost exactly the same as Dublin's.  9 of them were committed with firearms.  Most of the rest were the standard Tucson "knife 'em and toss them in a dumpster" murders.

Dublin's results were 19 gang-related shootings by November.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-Europe-69575922.html

So I don't think legalization has much to do with whether or not a particular place is a good place to raise a family.

That's true. And six of those shootings were at that Giffords ladies political rally, so maybe politicians should be scared of uprisings. Shame about that 9 year old though.

In fact the with Dublin our gun crimes are even more concentrated with nearly every one of those 19 shootings happening within a ten mile radius all centring around the black horse inn and two drug families. Of course Cork where I live has had two shootings in the last ten years and both of which were by those same drug families.

Then there's northern Ireland and the endless kneecapping.

I always make the mistake of looking at the whole US for these kind of things, where when I hear gun crime I think of the sprawling urban decay of the rougher cities.

1.  Mentally ill people will find a way. 

2.  It isn't the urban sectors here that you have to watch out for, it's when you're out in the land of the billygoons.  Our rural areas are, per capita, far more dangerous than our cities.

All I know of hill billies is the portrayal on TV. Seems terrifying.

It's even worse than it appears.  The Great American Cletus is a far, far worse creature than that portrayed on television and in the movies.  It's really hard to describe. 

Imagine a rather large Down's syndrome victim...Now, fill him full of meth and pour cheap beer down his throat.  Teach him that "book learning" destroys "common sense", and ensure that his only two responses to new information are A)  Appeal to Ridicule, and B) violence.  Then make sure that he has a dichtomy of "if you hate women, you're a fag" and "if you like women, you're a fag" tearing what few brain cells he has in half.  Teach him that domestic violence is "how men handle things", and then arm him.

They are Piltdown Man, and they must be stopped.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It is no coincidence that tornados target trailer parks unerringly.

Just saying.

[Salty]

Safe or unsafe only come into play on a personal level of the responsibility of the individual, if you have irresponsible, impulsive or stupid people, you get high gun death and high gun crime. I also don't think people having guns keeps any kind of government in check. In fact I think they use it as an easy issue to rally numbers from the pro or against crowd.

There are several high power, volatile or toxic things I would enjoy keeping upon my person and though it would be highly entertaining if everyone else was entitled to as well it's not a place I would consider living or having a family.

I guess that's what it boils down to, the more rights and freedom the lowest common denominator has to dangerous or stupid shit, the shittier the quality of life in that region but the most morally pure.

I don't know about that, Faust.  I live in a state that allows anyone 18 years old or older, who has no felony or domestic violent misdemeanors on their record, to carry a firearm, openly or concealed.

We had 35 murders in 2009, in a population almost exactly the same as Dublin's.  9 of them were committed with firearms.  Most of the rest were the standard Tucson "knife 'em and toss them in a dumpster" murders.

Dublin's results were 19 gang-related shootings by November.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-Europe-69575922.html

So I don't think legalization has much to do with whether or not a particular place is a good place to raise a family.

That's true. And six of those shootings were at that Giffords ladies political rally, so maybe politicians should be scared of uprisings. Shame about that 9 year old though.

In fact the with Dublin our gun crimes are even more concentrated with nearly every one of those 19 shootings happening within a ten mile radius all centring around the black horse inn and two drug families. Of course Cork where I live has had two shootings in the last ten years and both of which were by those same drug families.

Then there's northern Ireland and the endless kneecapping.

I always make the mistake of looking at the whole US for these kind of things, where when I hear gun crime I think of the sprawling urban decay of the rougher cities.

1.  Mentally ill people will find a way. 

2.  It isn't the urban sectors here that you have to watch out for, it's when you're out in the land of the billygoons.  Our rural areas are, per capita, far more dangerous than our cities.

All I know of hill billies is the portrayal on TV. Seems terrifying.

It's even worse than it appears.  The Great American Cletus is a far, far worse creature than that portrayed on television and in the movies.  It's really hard to describe. 

Imagine a rather large Down's syndrome victim...Now, fill him full of meth and pour cheap beer down his throat.  Teach him that "book learning" destroys "common sense", and ensure that his only two responses to new information are A)  Appeal to Ridicule, and B) violence.  Then make sure that he has a dichtomy of "if you hate women, you're a fag" and "if you like women, you're a fag" tearing what few brain cells he has in half.  Teach him that domestic violence is "how men handle things", and then arm him.

They are Piltdown Man, and they must be stopped.

Yeah, that's, like, half my family right there.
These are my people.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Safe or unsafe only come into play on a personal level of the responsibility of the individual, if you have irresponsible, impulsive or stupid people, you get high gun death and high gun crime. I also don't think people having guns keeps any kind of government in check. In fact I think they use it as an easy issue to rally numbers from the pro or against crowd.

There are several high power, volatile or toxic things I would enjoy keeping upon my person and though it would be highly entertaining if everyone else was entitled to as well it's not a place I would consider living or having a family.

I guess that's what it boils down to, the more rights and freedom the lowest common denominator has to dangerous or stupid shit, the shittier the quality of life in that region but the most morally pure.

I don't know about that, Faust.  I live in a state that allows anyone 18 years old or older, who has no felony or domestic violent misdemeanors on their record, to carry a firearm, openly or concealed.

We had 35 murders in 2009, in a population almost exactly the same as Dublin's.  9 of them were committed with firearms.  Most of the rest were the standard Tucson "knife 'em and toss them in a dumpster" murders.

Dublin's results were 19 gang-related shootings by November.

http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Dublin-has-become-the-gun-murder-capital-of-Europe-69575922.html

So I don't think legalization has much to do with whether or not a particular place is a good place to raise a family.

That's true. And six of those shootings were at that Giffords ladies political rally, so maybe politicians should be scared of uprisings. Shame about that 9 year old though.

In fact the with Dublin our gun crimes are even more concentrated with nearly every one of those 19 shootings happening within a ten mile radius all centring around the black horse inn and two drug families. Of course Cork where I live has had two shootings in the last ten years and both of which were by those same drug families.

Then there's northern Ireland and the endless kneecapping.

I always make the mistake of looking at the whole US for these kind of things, where when I hear gun crime I think of the sprawling urban decay of the rougher cities.

1.  Mentally ill people will find a way. 

2.  It isn't the urban sectors here that you have to watch out for, it's when you're out in the land of the billygoons.  Our rural areas are, per capita, far more dangerous than our cities.

All I know of hill billies is the portrayal on TV. Seems terrifying.

It's even worse than it appears.  The Great American Cletus is a far, far worse creature than that portrayed on television and in the movies.  It's really hard to describe. 

Imagine a rather large Down's syndrome victim...Now, fill him full of meth and pour cheap beer down his throat.  Teach him that "book learning" destroys "common sense", and ensure that his only two responses to new information are A)  Appeal to Ridicule, and B) violence.  Then make sure that he has a dichtomy of "if you hate women, you're a fag" and "if you like women, you're a fag" tearing what few brain cells he has in half.  Teach him that domestic violence is "how men handle things", and then arm him.

They are Piltdown Man, and they must be stopped.

Yeah, that's, like, half my family right there.
These are my people.

And the best part is, no description actually does the situation justice.  You have to see it in person to understand.  Then you spend the rest of your life trying to forget.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

These are the mysterious creatures we hear dwell beyond worcester. We dont know for sure because theres no reason to go beyond worcester and rare reason to even go to worcester (usually heavy metal concert which should be telling)

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Oh and monster truck rallys and wresling too but those dont interest me or my wallet.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

These are the mysterious creatures we hear dwell beyond worcester. We dont know for sure because theres no reason to go beyond worcester and rare reason to even go to worcester (usually heavy metal concert which should be telling)

That's not even the real deal.  No, the East coast has many problems (guidos, mobsters, hair bands), but Billygoons aren't one of them.  At least not to the degree you see in the Southeast and the Midwest.  Thank God I'm in Arizona, where I only have to deal with pimps, crazy people, and smugglers.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Oh and monster truck rallys and wresling too but those dont interest me or my wallet.

That's just cultural tourism.  REAL rednecks don't have time for that shit.  They're too busy trying to pirate their neighbor's cable so they can watch NASCAR.  Unfortunately, they are not yet tool-users, and they invariably fail in ways that lead to either incarceration or an entry in Fortean Times Magazine's "strange deaths" column.