Excuse me while I vomit.- Trigger Warning for Rape and Rape Culture.

[Pope Lecherous]

Do you know who thinks they know better than women, about what women really want and what's good for them? Misogynists.

I know better than anyone about who I AM. All i do is show them that and that they have nothing to worry about.  That's not misogynist. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Just to reiterate:

Boundaries exist because, as humans, we need them. Challenging/criticizing/trying to make me or any other female doubt our boundaries is NOT OKAY.

CRITICISING OR ATTEMPTING TO MAKE SOMEONE DOUBT THEMSELVES WHEN TRYING TO ENFORCE THEIR BOUNDARIES IS A DOUCHEBAG MOVE.

Not only is it not OK, not only is it a douchebag move, but in psychology it's a classic red flag for identifying a person with a high likelihood of being emotionally or physically abusive. It particularly tends to show up in conjunction with certain personality disorders.

Blackfoot can rationalize it all he wants, but it is what it is, regardless of what he wishes he could call it.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Do you know who thinks they know better than women, about what women really want and what's good for them? Misogynists.

I know better than anyone about who I AM. All i do is show them that and that they have nothing to worry about.  That's not misogynist.

Showing people who you are is different from pushing their boundaries or overcoming their objections. That's called "getting to know each other".

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

If you are "presenting a case" for why a woman should sleep with you, you are pathetic. 

If you are conscious of how you behave around others then you also "present" yourself in a certain manner whether you like to believe that you "just be yourself" or not.  People don't get a different me when they speak to me, they get my reaction to them in that environment.  That's it.

You're backpedaling again. What does this have to do with pushing people's boundaries or overcoming their objections? Can you stay on task?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Because apparently you are the Great and Wise Blackfoot, and you know better than other people what's good for them, and what they really want. 

Drunk club girls, at least.

I know what i can offer better than they can and that's all i do, offer me and a good time.

What does this have to do with pushing boundaries and overcoming objections? Can you stay on task?

[Pope Lecherous]

Strange women/females? No, I'm not afraid or wary of them automatically. But I am automatically wary of men until I get to know them because I have to be. (and TBH, it would probably be wiser to be a little wary of even men I know until I know I can 100% trust them to respect my boundaries, since most victims know their attacker)

That's smart.

Challenging/criticizing/trying to make me or any other female doubt our boundaries is NOT OKAY. You may think they're unnecessary, but you're a man and a stranger; you don't know why they exist and have demonstrated zero interest in learning why.
So fuck off.

I am very interested in learning why people believe the things we do.

Boundaries are not at all like ideas. Boundaries are what you are comfortable with, what is and isn't okay to do to your person. Pushing boundaries will make people uncomfortable and afraid in ways that are not at all like the discomfort and fear people experience when their thoughts are challenged.

I disagree.  Boundaries are created BY the ideas you hold.  Take for instance other cultures and the beliefs that form the "boundaries" of what they find to be decent or indecent and what they find themselves comfortable with, like in the middle east a lot of men aren't comfortable with women having certain rights or freedoms.  These are informed by the ideas they have about various subjects.  That doesn't mean that the ideas themselves aren't fundamentally shitty ideas, like... Muslims ideas(reasons) about why women should live the way they do over there.

When you try to "plant a seed of doubt" in a person who has boundaries that are inconvenient for you, you are basically telling them they have no right to their person and to their feelings.
Which, fuck you, they do.

The ideas happen to be inconvenient for me.  I also disagree with them.  For example, I will not hurt you unless i am defending myself.  This is completely counter to your idea that I'm dangerous to you.

Sure do, since most of my boundaries consist of what I will and will not tolerate from other human beings and it is NOT for you to determine what boundaries I need or why I have them. I'm appalled that you think you have the right to make me question my boundaries.

You are essentially appalled that i disagree with your ideas at this point and the fact that a person has challenged what forms your ideas.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

BLACKFOOT, READ THE FUCKING LINK ALREADY!

Fuck.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Strange women/females? No, I'm not afraid or wary of them automatically. But I am automatically wary of men until I get to know them because I have to be. (and TBH, it would probably be wiser to be a little wary of even men I know until I know I can 100% trust them to respect my boundaries, since most victims know their attacker)

That's smart.

Challenging/criticizing/trying to make me or any other female doubt our boundaries is NOT OKAY. You may think they're unnecessary, but you're a man and a stranger; you don't know why they exist and have demonstrated zero interest in learning why.
So fuck off.

I am very interested in learning why people believe the things we do.

Boundaries are not at all like ideas. Boundaries are what you are comfortable with, what is and isn't okay to do to your person. Pushing boundaries will make people uncomfortable and afraid in ways that are not at all like the discomfort and fear people experience when their thoughts are challenged.

I disagree.  Boundaries are created BY the ideas you hold.  Take for instance other cultures and the beliefs that form the "boundaries" of what they find to be decent or indecent and what they find themselves comfortable with, like in the middle east a lot of men aren't comfortable with women having certain rights or freedoms.  These are informed by the ideas they have about various subjects.  That doesn't mean that the ideas themselves aren't fundamentally shitty ideas, like... Muslims ideas(reasons) about why women should live the way they do over there.

You don't have any idea what boundaries actually are. Personal boundaries are about what you are comfortable having done to yourself, not what you are comfortable with other people doing when it doesn't involve you personally. Those are totally different things.

When you try to "plant a seed of doubt" in a person who has boundaries that are inconvenient for you, you are basically telling them they have no right to their person and to their feelings.
Which, fuck you, they do.

The ideas happen to be inconvenient for me.  I also disagree with them.  For example, I will not hurt you unless i am defending myself.  This is completely counter to your idea that I'm dangerous to you.

You seem to be completely missing the point that it doesn't matter. You don't fucking matter in the slightest, nor does your convenience, when it comes to what I do and do not want to do with my body. You are irrelevant.

Sure do, since most of my boundaries consist of what I will and will not tolerate from other human beings and it is NOT for you to determine what boundaries I need or why I have them. I'm appalled that you think you have the right to make me question my boundaries.

You are essentially appalled that i disagree with your ideas at this point and the fact that a person has challenged what forms your ideas.

I'm pretty sure we have a sociopath here.

[Juana]

I disagree.  Boundaries are created BY the ideas you hold.  Take for instance other cultures and the beliefs that form the "boundaries" of what they find to be decent or indecent and what they find themselves comfortable with, like in the middle east a lot of men aren't comfortable with women having certain rights or freedoms.  These are informed by the ideas they have about various subjects.  That doesn't mean that the ideas themselves aren't fundamentally shitty ideas, like... Muslims ideas(reasons) about why women should live the way they do over there.

No. No. No. Boundaries have to do with feeling safe, you utter fucking retard.

When you try to "plant a seed of doubt" in a person who has boundaries that are inconvenient for you, you are basically telling them they have no right to their person and to their feelings.
Which, fuck you, they do.

The ideas happen to be inconvenient for me.  I also disagree with them.  For example, I will not hurt you unless i am defending myself.  This is completely counter to your idea that I'm dangerous to you.

You would question and try to undermine my boundaries for your own convenience. That does, in fact, make you dangerous to me and to others. Danger does not have to be explicitly violent.

Sure do, since most of my boundaries consist of what I will and will not tolerate from other human beings and it is NOT for you to determine what boundaries I need or why I have them. I'm appalled that you think you have the right to make me question my boundaries.

You are essentially appalled that i disagree with your ideas at this point and the fact that a person has challenged what forms your ideas.

No. You think you have the right to determine what another person's boundaries are, which is what I find appalling.

BLACKFOOT, READ THE FUCKING LINK ALREADY!

Fuck.

This. I'm done responding to you until you demonstrate that you have, in fact, read the article.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sociopath, or possibly NPD.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

He believes he has the right to challenge or undermine women's personal boundaries in the case that their not wanting to sleep with him is inconvenient.

[Juana]

I'm glad I don't know this asshat IRL. I'd go to desperate lengths to get him out of my social circle if I did, after this conversation.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And of course, Garbo, don't forget that the only reason you're appalled is because "a person has challenged what forms your ideas".

Not because undermining and challenging people's personal boundaries is red-flag antisocial behavior. Particularly when a man does it to women in the context of trying to wheedle them into sex.

[Juana]

Of course! How could I forget? I'm just a silly female who should question what does and does not make me feel unsafe when it suits men!

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,32930.msg1196040.html#msg1196040

I'm not sure if Blackfoot read this, so I'm posting the link to to the part of the thread.