Oh Noez! What about Teh Menz? -Patriarchy isn't a dude's friend EITHER!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I knew a girl whose uncle basically sold her st fifteen or sixteen as a child bride to a man twenty-five years her senior. She'd been married for two years by the time I knew her, and I think she'd been pulled from school when she was fourteen or so. That was an ugly thing.


Also, yes, very powerful (and correct) stuff. When women are educated, there seems to be a distinct drop-off in population growth, too, which is very, very good.

Yes, it's nice when people understand that they have options other than becoming a baby factory.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I knew a girl whose uncle basically sold her st fifteen or sixteen as a child bride to a man twenty-five years her senior. She'd been married for two years by the time I knew her, and I think she'd been pulled from school when she was fourteen or so. That was an ugly thing.


Also, yes, very powerful (and correct) stuff. When women are educated, there seems to be a distinct drop-off in population growth, too, which is very, very good.

Yes, it's nice when people understand that they have options other than becoming a baby factory.

Yep.

And it relates directly to my post in the other thread about how impoverished women, particularly those without reproductive autonomy, give birth to impoverished children, most of whom grow up to repeat the cycle. Keeping women oppressed isn't just about women, it's about class warfare as well. It's about breeding a booming underclass as fodder for the upper class.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

I knew a girl whose uncle basically sold her st fifteen or sixteen as a child bride to a man twenty-five years her senior. She'd been married for two years by the time I knew her, and I think she'd been pulled from school when she was fourteen or so. That was an ugly thing.


Also, yes, very powerful (and correct) stuff. When women are educated, there seems to be a distinct drop-off in population growth, too, which is very, very good.

When I was 15 or 16 or so one of the girls in the year below mine just disappeared.. It later transpired she was sent to either India or Pakistan and basically was married off..

[Faust]

The portrayal of men on television as the leader of a family especially in comedy shows is always as a blundering oaf (Simpsons, Family guy, American dad),  or menacing threatening figure (Primarily when the show is from the point of view of teen child of the family).

Additionally in a lot of UK shows the father often embodies vice, or dodging of responsibility (misfits etc). If a father is shown in a intelligent/gentle/ or sagely fashion, he is almost certainly going to be killed or otherwise brutalised for emotional effect (uncle Ben)

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The portrayal of men on television as the leader of a family especially in comedy shows is always as a blundering oaf (Simpsons, Family guy, American dad),  or menacing threatening figure (Primarily when the show is from the point of view of teen child of the family).

Additionally in a lot of UK shows the father often embodies vice, or dodging of responsibility (misfits etc). If a father is shown in a intelligent/gentle/ or sagely fashion, he is almost certainly going to be killed or otherwise brutalised for emotional effect (uncle Ben)

Now you've done it.

[AFK]

He's kinda right, though, in the case of comedies, the laughs have to come from somewhere right?  Basically everyone , men AND women, in an American comedy are just fleshy cartoon characters, because there is rarely a such thing as wit in American comedies.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

He's kinda right, though, in the case of comedies, the laughs have to come from somewhere right?  Basically everyone , men AND women, in an American comedy are just fleshy cartoon characters, because there is rarely a such thing as wit in American comedies.

I'd argue that.  I'd say there's no wit at all in American comedies.  Just those who inflict humilation, and the humiliated.  That is the sum total of American "comedy" television.

[AFK]

I'd say there have been some very brief, short-lived exceptions (Better of Ted (cancelled after one season), the occassional Parks & Rec episode) but otherwise I completely agree.

[East Coast Hustle]

Yep. Pratfalls, poop jokes, and cracks about being fat seems to be, for the most part, the height of American comedic sophistication.

[Faust]

With a small niche for stupid pop culture references.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Sienfeld was the perfect example.  Every gag was based on someone being humiliated.  Every single one.

[AFK]

Yep, and that's become the gold standard for American comedy.  That, or the Two and a Half Men model.  How many penis jokes can we fit into 22 minutes.

[Faust]

Seinfeld was also never funny.

Even the shows I do like and think are funny suffer from father hang ups:

The venture brothers was self aware of it. Doctor Venture is a self loathing, neurotic pill popping, amoral failed scientist.

His father is an absent god spoken of only in reverence or resentment at his abandoning us.
Venture Sr embodies the hardworking brilliant rugged genius trope of the 50's. He is supposed to be Dr Quest from Johnny quest but he is really more of a Doc Savage with chest hair like that.

We can identify with the younger venture for all his faults and fragility and frustration, but we are encouraged to resent that trope of the Man's Man 50's icon, for it's simplicity and for it antiquity.

What killed it, that it was incapable of change like a dinosaur and was killed off by the changing culture of the sixties seventies and eighties? I stop there because that is also where culture ended.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

The Bundys were funny the first few seasons, but yeah. Al poses with a toilet. Al staples a centerfold to the headboard so he can fuck Peg. Etc.

[Faust]

Al's a stupid oaf and his wife is a shrew. Same deal.
Episode two has Al actually say I love you to her in one of the shows only heart warming scenes. It was less then a season that any sense of the Who's afraid of Virginia Woolf volatile but besotted with each other relationship evaporated. Then the show went on for another 250+ episodes...

Love doesn't good comedy make.