What is it...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

There's also Dickhead Pickle, if we're talking about people who are completely gross and vile.

"Kids whose parents can't work three jobs and teach them deserve what they get," and all that.

Yeah, that's a big one.  The guys who read RAW and assume we're all Libertarians.   

There was also that quote about people who are on welfare are categorically and without exception lazy, evil people who shouldn't be supported by HIS TAX DOLLARS, and essentially the subtext was they should all be put on the street.

Never said anything of the sort, ever.

Fucking liar.

Hey, dickhead:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30548.75/msg,1107453.html

In fact, that whole thread is full of your lulziness.

[AFK]

I think it is probably pretty accurate to suggest there are some similarities amongst people who are attracted to Discordianism, I just think it is way too far to suggest there is a sociopathic thread. 


And I'm not even sure about the anti-social thing.  I mean, I don't see how Discordianism could work if you truly didn't give a fuck about other human beings.  I think many would tend to see Discordianism as a type of tool for helping, for bettering...


Unless someone is purely in it for the horrormirthic entertainment. 


I haven't come across too many of those myself, not even here.

I don't think that making things better is inherent in Discordianism at its most basic. That is a very positive interpretation... but Absurdism (which Discordianism seems most close to in a philosophical sense) isn't particularly about bettering or helping. At its most simple its simply saying that the "meaning of life" is whatever meaning you choose to give it. If that's helping people break out of old mindsets, or laughing as it all burns down, both are valid absurdest positions.

I dunno though, because, I've always felt there was an, at least implied, ideal or idea that Discordia was something to share in one form or another and it seems like it is more than just sharing a funny book.  I'm not saying Discordia was necessarily conceived as some big social movement or anything, but I always felt that it also wasn't meant to be insular or solely inward.

On the contrary, I think of Discordianism as exclusively insular. It is explicitly individualized, including large warnings about trying to be the Next Big Thing. I think it's great that Discordians can, sometimes, come together for a purpose or a cause or just to see who can eat the most oranges. But ultimately the philosophy means nothing if it doesn't mean something to you, and whatever it means to you is very likely to be meaningless to anyone else.

That's my interpretation of it, and you'll agree with me or else.

But I don't think about it as trying to spread YOUR vision of Discordia, it's more the idea that one open their view to get A vision of Discordia, whatever that may endup being.  So, sharing the idea of. TFY,S, but what they Think, is ultimately up to them.  But just making that breakthrough, alone, I feel, ends up helping.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Eh, don't know how to answer that.  I don't like her, period.  I don't seeing that changing, ever.

Okay.

But I gotta say, sniping from behind ignore isn't exactly the classiest thing I've ever seen, given your response as quoted.

[AFK]

Part of my response, you mean.  The rest of it explains why I did "snipe" in this case, which was because I felt another member of the community was being treated unfairly.  I would expect if you had me on ignore and I was misrepresenting Nigel you'd do the same thing.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Part of my response, you mean.  The rest of it explains why I did "snipe" in this case, which was because I felt another member of the community was being treated unfairly.  I would expect if you had me on ignore and I was misrepresenting Nigel you'd do the same thing.

I honestly can't say, because I've never used an ignore feature here, and I CAN'T use the ignore feature here.

But I'm pretty sure that if I was going to get involved, I would turn the ignore feature off until I felt comfortable that the issue had been addressed entirely.

I'm also curious, here:  Nigel did slam on you, there's no denying that, but others did worse.  Are you ignoring them, too? 

[AFK]

She is not exclusive to my ignore list, no.


And Nigel is not on my ignore list because she "slammed" me. 


She's on it because she is like nails-on-a-chalkboard for me. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think it is probably pretty accurate to suggest there are some similarities amongst people who are attracted to Discordianism, I just think it is way too far to suggest there is a sociopathic thread. 


And I'm not even sure about the anti-social thing.  I mean, I don't see how Discordianism could work if you truly didn't give a fuck about other human beings.  I think many would tend to see Discordianism as a type of tool for helping, for bettering...


Unless someone is purely in it for the horrormirthic entertainment. 


I haven't come across too many of those myself, not even here.

I don't think that making things better is inherent in Discordianism at its most basic. That is a very positive interpretation... but Absurdism (which Discordianism seems most close to in a philosophical sense) isn't particularly about bettering or helping. At its most simple its simply saying that the "meaning of life" is whatever meaning you choose to give it. If that's helping people break out of old mindsets, or laughing as it all burns down, both are valid absurdest positions.

I dunno though, because, I've always felt there was an, at least implied, ideal or idea that Discordia was something to share in one form or another and it seems like it is more than just sharing a funny book.  I'm not saying Discordia was necessarily conceived as some big social movement or anything, but I always felt that it also wasn't meant to be insular or solely inward.

Then that's what it means to you

Omar's 'sharing' often seemed to me more of 'share this mindfuck for the fuck of fucking minds"
RAW's 'sharing' on the other hand seems more like a 'share this and help people break out of their old programs'.

I think they're both equally valid, but may say more about the Discordian than Discordianism.

ETA: It was actually PD.com that woke me up to the idea that Discordianism wasn't necessarily about sharing, not sharing or whatever else 'I' thought it was about.

[Freeky]

There's also Dickhead Pickle, if we're talking about people who are completely gross and vile.

"Kids whose parents can't work three jobs and teach them deserve what they get," and all that.

Yeah, that's a big one.  The guys who read RAW and assume we're all Libertarians.   

There was also that quote about people who are on welfare are categorically and without exception lazy, evil people who shouldn't be supported by HIS TAX DOLLARS, and essentially the subtext was they should all be put on the street.

Never said anything of the sort, ever.

Fucking liar.

Hey, dickhead:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30548.75/msg,1107453.html

In fact, that whole thread is full of your lulziness.

He's right, I did misquote. 

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,26404.0.html

But of course people on welfare have to have drug tests (pg 2), because so many of them a crackheads that this is actually something that poor ass states should spend money on.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

There's also Dickhead Pickle, if we're talking about people who are completely gross and vile.

"Kids whose parents can't work three jobs and teach them deserve what they get," and all that.

Yeah, that's a big one.  The guys who read RAW and assume we're all Libertarians.   

There was also that quote about people who are on welfare are categorically and without exception lazy, evil people who shouldn't be supported by HIS TAX DOLLARS, and essentially the subtext was they should all be put on the street.

Never said anything of the sort, ever.

Fucking liar.

Hey, dickhead:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,30548.75/msg,1107453.html

In fact, that whole thread is full of your lulziness.

He's right, I did misquote. 

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,26404.0.html

But of course people on welfare have to have drug tests (pg 2), because so many of them a crackheads that this is actually something that poor ass states should spend money on.

People who say things like that should have their assets frozen and be required to do a ten year stint of minimum wage jobs and public assistance.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think its interesting that the libertarian slant RAW generally discussed was from a civil perspective (i.e. Government should stay out of my house, my body, my bedroom), yet many Libertarian Discordians seem to focus on the tax dollars. Its also interesting that depending on which RAW book you happen to be reading, you can find arguments for socialism (the RICH Economy) including a 'leisure class' which is basically a welfare class. You can find arguments for anarchism of differing sorts and elements of social Libertarianism. The interesting feature in all of these though is his permeating view that people should be taking care of each other in some sense. Bemoaning 'Welfare Queens' or 'Drug User Deadbeats' seems far outside the RAW philosophies.

But then I've run into people that hold Ayn Rand and RAW up as their heroes... so I guess it all depends on what mixers people are using with their brain cells...

Maybe Vodka or Moonshine or Jenkem.

[Salty]

I think Discordians get together because that's what people do.

The stick apart thing...I don't think it was supposed to go one way or another, but to take its natural course. I've mentioned before that one thing I miss about going to church, the only thing actually, is the sense of community. Maybe that's why people get together religiously in the first place: to have some intangible, unnecessary link to other people of a similar mindset.

Whether we're supposed to be buddies..well...TBH I can't even understand why anyone would want to discuss Discordianism...

[AFK]

Really?  You can't?  Why not?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think Discordians get together because that's what people do.

The stick apart thing...I don't think it was supposed to go one way or another, but to take its natural course. I've mentioned before that one thing I miss about going to church, the only thing actually, is the sense of community. Maybe that's why people get together religiously in the first place: to have some intangible, unnecessary link to other people of a similar mindset.

Whether we're supposed to be buddies..well...TBH I can't even understand why anyone would want to discuss Discordianism...

I think those are valid points. Though I've had many awesome discussions about Discordianism, generally in the not serious, funny, optimistic, hippie, psychedelic, positive variety of Discordianism. Once Discordianism starts landing on 'serious' issues, or issues that are serious to some people, it becomes more contentious. Discordianism doesn't necessarily care about feminism or politics or the war on some drugs or what other people think about an individuals decision to play with madijick etc. I think thats why they are such hot button issues here.

I can see arguments from both sides which discordian philosophies would support. It's not simple/cut&dried like it is with many other philosophies. As I said above, its probably much more telling about the individuals involved in the debate, than the debate or Discordianism applied to the debate. For me the 'stick apart' comment is more about not falling into a groupthink about what Discordianism is or isn't... not that we shouldn't associate, hang out or poke each other with sticks... but that we shouldn't necessarily modify our discordianism to meet the expectations, ideals, beliefs etc of other discordians.

[AFK]

No but what is the point of talking about the Curse of Greyface if we aren't to go out and snap people out of those Curses.  Not to tell them HOW and WHAT to think after, but, to just THINK.  You have to connnect and commune with people to do that kind of thing.  WHAT we think is indeed individual, and should be.


But what was BIP all about?  It was to be a cold bucket of water or a sharp point of a stick in the eye.  I dunno about other authors, but I didn't throw down on that just to see my, fake, name in print.  It was maybe to help a few spags figure out there were more paths, more opportunities than what they've been allowing themselves to see.

[Salty]

Really?  You can't?  Why not?

No, not really. I was thinking of this:

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php/topic,27364.0.html