What is it...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I do.  Hides posts but not thread starts.

You responded to a response.  So I'm thinking that either you DO have her on ignore, but continually walk around it (in which case, why bother?), or you SAY you have her on ignore as a means of getting back at her in some way.

[Freeky]

Ignore function hides OP.

[AFK]

I do.  Hides posts but not thread starts.

You responded to a response.  So I'm thinking that either you DO have her on ignore, but continually walk around it (in which case, why bother?), or you SAY you have her on ignore as a means of getting back at her in some way.

I DO have her on ignore but if she starts a thread I do click to read the post to see what the thread is about.  And of course I can see posts whenever anyone quotes her. 


And I have nothing to "get back" at her about.  I've been pretty straightforward with how I feel about her and that hasn't changed.  Which is why she's on ignore.  But I felt like there was at best some guilt by association going on here with v3x's comments and so I chose to speak up.  I would've done that if you were trying to make the connection or anyone else.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think that there are a number of contributing factors that tie Discordianism and anti-social behavior (of varying degrees).

First, one of its founders was nutty as a fruitcake. A person with anti-social tendencies would find a lot to identify with in reading some of Kerry's writings.

Second, one if its loudest proponents wrote a lot of stuff which a person with anti-social tendencies would find a lot to identify with. RAw wrote some excellent stuff, but it definitely has an appeal to those that can't fit in with the social norm.

Third, once it hit the Internet, Discordianism has become synonymous with trolling, a group that trolls based on philosophy seems like a philosophy that many people with anti-social tendencies might find inviting.

Fourth, the PD and many Discordian writings celebrate being a bit 'mad'/'crazy'/'nutty'/'weird', all of which would appeal to people that can't fit in with what is 'normal' in our society.

Fifth, if you're only looking at Internet Discordian interaction... its damned difficult to determine any sort of psychological profile based on internet posts. What we may see as anti-social may be any number of things.

Side comment, I think that the Discordianism of PD.com varies from 'somewhat similar' to 'vastly different' when compared to other interpretations of Discordianism. When people come here thinking this Discordianism is like their Discordianism, there may be a jarring shock which could manifest as anti-social behavior to someone across the Internet.

Besides, the PD calls Discordians 'maniacs', its fables/myths are absurd and occasionally anti-social. At the very least, Discordianism tends to throw dirt into the face of society. It cracks jokes at the expense of societies sacred cows. It draws an us vs them between the cool people and the greyfaces. In a simple interpretation of that Us vs Them... the greyfaces appear to be the bosses, politicians and all the pinks and normals... if you're anti-social, that line up probably sounds like something right up your alley. In fact, I think it could be argued that Discordianism is anti-social/anti-culture in some sense. It makes sense that it would attract people with anti-social/anti-culture tendencies.

Consider:

"Think for Yourself, Schmuck!"
"Everything is True in Some Sense, False in Some Sense, Meaningless in Some Sense"
"Life is the art of playing games"
"What is wrong with that, if it is what you want to do?"
"Wipe thine ass on what is written, and grin like a ninny at what is spoken"

Most of us here don't tend to interpret those as particularly anti-social, but if a person is coming from an anti-social perspective, those kinds of quotes would probably seem right in line...

I have to agree with the general comments though, that I don't think I've ever run across a Discordian that I would actually consider a sociopath or psychopath. Antisocial (maybe), weird (definitely). I have a very good Discordian friend who had some serious psychological issues and had to spend time in a hospital and is on medication... but that happened to him post-Discordian by several years.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Society, in general, is an arsed up clusterfuck of a thing. It's probably a natural enough reaction, when you discover this for yourself, to shun the whole fucking shooting match. I can testify to this approach. It's a kneejerk, at it's pinnacle worst but I wouldn't say I didn't understand it. Then you explore anarchy and nihilism and that takes a while to work through. Eventually you probably arrive at a place where you accept the need for society and the benefits and whatnot but you still despise the way it works in practice. Until that point? Yeah I reckon there's every chance you're gonna log on here and come across like a total fucking aspie.

[AFK]

I think it is probably pretty accurate to suggest there are some similarities amongst people who are attracted to Discordianism, I just think it is way too far to suggest there is a sociopathic thread. 


And I'm not even sure about the anti-social thing.  I mean, I don't see how Discordianism could work if you truly didn't give a fuck about other human beings.  I think many would tend to see Discordianism as a type of tool for helping, for bettering...


Unless someone is purely in it for the horrormirthic entertainment. 


I haven't come across too many of those myself, not even here.

[Disco Pickle]

There's also Dickhead Pickle, if we're talking about people who are completely gross and vile.

"Kids whose parents can't work three jobs and teach them deserve what they get," and all that.

Yeah, that's a big one.  The guys who read RAW and assume we're all Libertarians.   

There was also that quote about people who are on welfare are categorically and without exception lazy, evil people who shouldn't be supported by HIS TAX DOLLARS, and essentially the subtext was they should all be put on the street.

Never said anything of the sort, ever.

Fucking liar.

[Disco Pickle]

There's also Dickhead Pickle, if we're talking about people who are completely gross and vile.

"Kids whose parents can't work three jobs and teach them deserve what they get," and all that.

I don't even think he's a sociopath, to tell the truth... just damaged and stuck in a really shitty loop.

I've only ever met one sociopath in person, and she is fucking terrifying, not least because it took me close to seven years to realize it. She's not one of my friends, but a friend of a friend. Actual sociopaths are really frightening, and often don't exhibit the kinds of antisocial behavior that people consider earmarks for sociopathy. Which actually makes it that much more irritating/frustrating to me when people use antisocial behavior to try to get attention or to make people think they're cool/edgy/special. People with antisocial personality disorder ARE special; they're fortunately fairly rare. It's just that it's the kind of special that needs to be avoided like you would avoid West Nile virus.

Much like anyone else, I'm a work in progress, with the misfortune of having a poorly poured foundation that occasionally needs the cracks patched.

Consequently, I've spent quite a bit of time the last year re-thinking some things I thought I had down.  I've stayed away from posting in clearly radioactive threads because it isn't much fun for anyone involved.

Being deliberately misquoted to the point of bald faced lying, as above, I just won't stomach.  I don't care if Freeky thinks I am a bad person.  I do care if she's lying about something I've said.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think it is probably pretty accurate to suggest there are some similarities amongst people who are attracted to Discordianism, I just think it is way too far to suggest there is a sociopathic thread. 


And I'm not even sure about the anti-social thing.  I mean, I don't see how Discordianism could work if you truly didn't give a fuck about other human beings.  I think many would tend to see Discordianism as a type of tool for helping, for bettering...


Unless someone is purely in it for the horrormirthic entertainment. 


I haven't come across too many of those myself, not even here.

I don't think that making things better is inherent in Discordianism at its most basic. That is a very positive interpretation... but Absurdism (which Discordianism seems most close to in a philosophical sense) isn't particularly about bettering or helping. At its most simple its simply saying that the "meaning of life" is whatever meaning you choose to give it. If that's helping people break out of old mindsets, or laughing as it all burns down, both are valid absurdest positions.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I do.  Hides posts but not thread starts.

You responded to a response.  So I'm thinking that either you DO have her on ignore, but continually walk around it (in which case, why bother?), or you SAY you have her on ignore as a means of getting back at her in some way.

I DO have her on ignore but if she starts a thread I do click to read the post to see what the thread is about.  And of course I can see posts whenever anyone quotes her. 


And I have nothing to "get back" at her about.  I've been pretty straightforward with how I feel about her and that hasn't changed.  Which is why she's on ignore.  But I felt like there was at best some guilt by association going on here with v3x's comments and so I chose to speak up.  I would've done that if you were trying to make the connection or anyone else.

May I ask how long, precisely, this feud can be expected to continue?

[AFK]

I think it is probably pretty accurate to suggest there are some similarities amongst people who are attracted to Discordianism, I just think it is way too far to suggest there is a sociopathic thread. 


And I'm not even sure about the anti-social thing.  I mean, I don't see how Discordianism could work if you truly didn't give a fuck about other human beings.  I think many would tend to see Discordianism as a type of tool for helping, for bettering...


Unless someone is purely in it for the horrormirthic entertainment. 


I haven't come across too many of those myself, not even here.

I don't think that making things better is inherent in Discordianism at its most basic. That is a very positive interpretation... but Absurdism (which Discordianism seems most close to in a philosophical sense) isn't particularly about bettering or helping. At its most simple its simply saying that the "meaning of life" is whatever meaning you choose to give it. If that's helping people break out of old mindsets, or laughing as it all burns down, both are valid absurdest positions.

I dunno though, because, I've always felt there was an, at least implied, ideal or idea that Discordia was something to share in one form or another and it seems like it is more than just sharing a funny book.  I'm not saying Discordia was necessarily conceived as some big social movement or anything, but I always felt that it also wasn't meant to be insular or solely inward.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I think it is probably pretty accurate to suggest there are some similarities amongst people who are attracted to Discordianism, I just think it is way too far to suggest there is a sociopathic thread. 


And I'm not even sure about the anti-social thing.  I mean, I don't see how Discordianism could work if you truly didn't give a fuck about other human beings.  I think many would tend to see Discordianism as a type of tool for helping, for bettering...


Unless someone is purely in it for the horrormirthic entertainment. 


I haven't come across too many of those myself, not even here.

I don't think that making things better is inherent in Discordianism at its most basic. That is a very positive interpretation... but Absurdism (which Discordianism seems most close to in a philosophical sense) isn't particularly about bettering or helping. At its most simple its simply saying that the "meaning of life" is whatever meaning you choose to give it. If that's helping people break out of old mindsets, or laughing as it all burns down, both are valid absurdest positions.

I dunno though, because, I've always felt there was an, at least implied, ideal or idea that Discordia was something to share in one form or another and it seems like it is more than just sharing a funny book.  I'm not saying Discordia was necessarily conceived as some big social movement or anything, but I always felt that it also wasn't meant to be insular or solely inward.

On the contrary, I think of Discordianism as exclusively insular. It is explicitly individualized, including large warnings about trying to be the Next Big Thing. I think it's great that Discordians can, sometimes, come together for a purpose or a cause or just to see who can eat the most oranges. But ultimately the philosophy means nothing if it doesn't mean something to you, and whatever it means to you is very likely to be meaningless to anyone else.

That's my interpretation of it, and you'll agree with me or else.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well, I guess I can't ask.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Well, I guess I can't ask.

It's over, for me.

[AFK]

I do.  Hides posts but not thread starts.

You responded to a response.  So I'm thinking that either you DO have her on ignore, but continually walk around it (in which case, why bother?), or you SAY you have her on ignore as a means of getting back at her in some way.

I DO have her on ignore but if she starts a thread I do click to read the post to see what the thread is about.  And of course I can see posts whenever anyone quotes her. 


And I have nothing to "get back" at her about.  I've been pretty straightforward with how I feel about her and that hasn't changed.  Which is why she's on ignore.  But I felt like there was at best some guilt by association going on here with v3x's comments and so I chose to speak up.  I would've done that if you were trying to make the connection or anyone else.

May I ask how long, precisely, this feud can be expected to continue?

Eh, don't know how to answer that.  I don't like her, period.  I don't seeing that changing, ever.  I mean, I don't wish any ill-will against her or anything, I'd push her out of the way of an oncoming car, I'd pull over and help her if she was stranded with a flat or something.  But otherwise, I'm quite fine not having much to do with her at all. 


And I'm sure that is a two way street.  Sometimes personalities go together like gasoline and open flames.  So there is no "feud" in a very strict sense.  And I know that ostracizes me here somewhat, but I'm okay with that. 


I only responded to this thread because I felt someone was being misrepresented unfairly, and I'll always speak up when I feel that is happening, and no matter who it comes from.  This time it was from her.


But, she says she wasn't targetting him, and I'll take her at her word, though I note that wasn't offered in the OP and only after when it was directly asked by vex.


But the record will show that I generally ignore and don't respond to about 99% of what she has posted since I put her on ignore, which I think was like two or three drug threads ago, approximately.