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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #225 on: December 07, 2014, 12:31:31 pm »
The whole "power corrupts" thing seems cliche'd and overstated but I can't help thinking there seems to come a point in these wankers lives where they realise they're untouchable and can even rape and murder little kids for a laugh. Just when I'm almost coming to terms with the notion that there may be some redeeming features in the notion of humans governing others, I'm reminded that, no, it's just too fucking dangerous.
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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #226 on: December 16, 2014, 10:58:39 am »
From Dan Davies' biography on Jimmy Savile:


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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #227 on: December 16, 2014, 11:07:36 am »
Well. That's disturbing.
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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #228 on: December 16, 2014, 11:16:07 am »
It is.  Especially since Sonderkommando is a generic designation within the SS, and while Sonderkommando were indeed non-Germans (mostly Jews in fact) pressed into service in the concentration camps, SS-Sonderkommando were "special action groups" sent into the field for specific tasks, normally as auxilary support for other branches of the SS.  As such, membership of the latter makes one culpable for the SS's war crimes, while the former does not.

Also, most Sonderkommando were, of course, killed in the end.

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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #229 on: December 16, 2014, 11:28:06 am »
Wait, what?

He's confessing to ordering peoples executions here, why haven't I seen any mention of this before?
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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #230 on: December 16, 2014, 11:52:18 am »
I found: http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jul/13/jimmy-savile-man-who-knew-him-best-dan-davies-in-plain-sight

Apparently it was published in July. Although the guy writing it worked on it for a decade and kept trying to draw attention to the fact Saville was some sort of monster - but until fairly recently, nobody was interested in hearing about it.

Every time I think I have a fairly good handle on how disturbing the world can be, it turns out there's new depths to sink to.
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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #231 on: December 16, 2014, 11:56:55 am »
Wow. Just when you thought the creepy little fuck couldn't get any worse.

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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #232 on: December 16, 2014, 12:20:24 pm »
Also, once you filter for their usual biases*, this RigInt thread is full of very interesting information.  At the very least, in addition to the above picture:

- Barbara Bush was a big fan of Savile, and appeared to know him in a personal capacity
- Prince Charles also said he saw Savile as a "mentor"...in what, one dreads to think.  Also yet another reason for why the walking Constitutional Crisis that is Prince Charles should never be allowed to become King
- More on Savile's politics.  Seems he was less the doctrinaire neoliberal rightwinger, and more of a romanticist
-More investigation into the possibility that Savile's secret was not entirely unknown in entertainment circles.  In particular, there is an interesting video of him being interviewed by Ricky Gervais where the latter can barely hide his contempt for the man, and makes a couple of curious comments.
- Speculation regarding his links to the private security industry via the trustees of his charity (in particular "Sabrewatch") and the highly politically connected Coutts bank.
- information about organised pedophilia being covered up by Lambeth and Islington councils (and check out some of the names linked to those scandals!).
- information that Savile went to Moscow on holiday in the 1950s.
- Speculation over Savile's enigmatic remark that "I am the Myra Hindley story".
- video of Louis Theroux talking about his interviewing of Savile
- video interviews of Savile's driver were stolen from a data storage firm who work with Manchester police
- It seems at least three predatory pedophiles in addition to Savile had essentially unrestricted access to the Royal Family - Paul Kidd, the former MI6 ambassador guy, and Keith Harding.
- The intelligence services posted D-notices with the Observer and Guardian regarding specific allegations of child abuse in 1984
- information about Kincora and "Clockwork Orange"


The last, while not directly tied to Savile, interests me, as one theory I've been knocking around in regards to why there was a police and intelligence coverup touches on that.  Basically, the UK in the 1970s was a pretty politically volatile place.  You had the intelligence services playing games with government, an assortment of cranks and would-be militias springing up, intrigue and violence, economic malaise...the UK was looking very shaky.

Under those circumstances, finding out some rather high ranking members of government were into raping children may have been the trigger which could bring the whole thing spiralling out of control.  The thing about the security services, alluded to in that thread but also something I've noted from my own interactions with them and knowledge of them, is that they are typically status quo extremists.  Not necessarily to the government of the day, but to the existing power structure (which government is derived from).  As such, they can justify almost any act when it comes to defending the stability and viability of the British state.  Assassination, torture...and maybe covering up for child abusers?  It's not beyond the realm of possibility.

Of course, that doesn't explain everything, as it's a politically and chronologically bound explanation of a series of events that, clearly, go well beyond the 70s.  But it may well be an important part of the puzzle.

*for those who are not aware of RigInt, their usual biases are the role of the occult in parapolitics, suspicion about the potentially Lovecraftian nature of the universe and the links between those, fascism and organised pedophilia

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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #233 on: December 16, 2014, 12:34:44 pm »

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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #234 on: December 16, 2014, 01:18:07 pm »
Wait, what?

He's confessing to ordering peoples executions here, why haven't I seen any mention of this before?

At the time he said it?  Probably because they thought he was joking.  "Oh Savile, what a card.  You are hilarious, with your tracksuit and big talk".  Savile had that reputation, as a joker and teller of tall tales, and his public perception allowed him to get away with saying all kinds of disturbing things.  Like when he told a patient at a hospital he was visiting that they were lucky the nurse was there or he would be able to have his way with her (because she was physically disabled).  That's just Jimmy being Jimmy, innit?

After the allegations came to light....well, that's a very good question, isn't it?  There are so many potentially seedy aspects to the Savile story it's now almost impossible to keep track of who may be covering for him.  People close to the Royals, close to the Tory Party, the intelligence services, people in the entertainment industry....not to mention Savile did some quite serious work as a consultant and PR expert for some rather large businesses.  While the press apparently delight in making up ridiculous nonsense to publish about him (because who wouldn't want to emulate such a great media figure as Max Clifford), everyone's just a little bit wary about what might come out of such an investigation.

Which is also an interesting point.  Savile alleged, years ago, that just before his knighthood, the press were looking into his past, trying to figure out why he hadn't received any honours yet.  He said they found nothing because there was nothing to find....but we know that wasn't true.  Were the press really sniffing around his past?  If so, they either did a bloody awful job of it....or else they were persuaded to keep quiet.

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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #235 on: January 02, 2015, 02:38:59 pm »
Well, this is disturbing - IIRC, there was a witness who claimed a royal connection and said they had done away with others who knew about it, before mysteriously disappearing himself quite recently.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/02/prince-andrew-named-us-lawsuit-underage-sex-allegations

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The new motion alleges that Epstein instructed the girl “to give the prince whatever he demanded” and also instructed her to “report back on the details of the sexual abuse”.

The woman’s lawyers allege in their motion that, in addition to facilitating her alleged encounters with the prince and Dershowitz, Epstein trafficked her to “many other powerful men, including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders”.

These are obviously allegations and not proven at this point - and the girl was 17 when it is alleged to have occurred (paedophilia in the USA, not in the UK). But one of the world's biggest investment bankers using young women as bribery to reach other major establishment figures seems very plausible. If true, it lends more credence to the idea of a coverup... but maybe an American court will be able to expose it where a British one wouldn't.
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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #236 on: January 02, 2015, 10:32:09 pm »
It's not all that different from that one aspect of MK-ULTRA... "Operation Midnight Climax", if memory serves.
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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #237 on: January 03, 2015, 04:40:20 am »
It's not all that different from that one aspect of MK-ULTRA... "Operation Midnight Climax", if memory serves.

Considering the subject matter, that name is fucking horrifying.
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« Reply #238 on: January 03, 2015, 10:27:58 am »
It's not all that different from that one aspect of MK-ULTRA... "Operation Midnight Climax", if memory serves.

Yes.  Or, indeed, the case of Craig J. Spence.

At the very least, we know Britain's former ambassador to Canada had those sort of...inclinations.  No doubt other ambassadors, diplomatic personnel, elected officials and political aides also do, if only as a matter of statistics.  Do we really think an intelligence agency as shady as the CIA would not stoop to underage prostitution, in the name of National Security?  Obviously, it could never ever be official policy....but for a group that has assassinated, tortured and overthrown governments, I don't see it as that big a leap, especially among the more extreme fringes of its membership.  Lets remember, after the "Halloween massacre", lots of "Agency" ops took place off the books, via former agents and front companies funded by private business ventures - like the Safari Club and World Anti-Communist League.

Getting blackmail information on a foreign dignitary or someone close to them would be a piece of cake.

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Re: Brit Spags! So Jim fixed it...
« Reply #239 on: January 03, 2015, 11:17:35 am »
Well, this is disturbing - IIRC, there was a witness who claimed a royal connection and said they had done away with others who knew about it, before mysteriously disappearing himself quite recently.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/02/prince-andrew-named-us-lawsuit-underage-sex-allegations

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The new motion alleges that Epstein instructed the girl “to give the prince whatever he demanded” and also instructed her to “report back on the details of the sexual abuse”.

The woman’s lawyers allege in their motion that, in addition to facilitating her alleged encounters with the prince and Dershowitz, Epstein trafficked her to “many other powerful men, including numerous prominent American politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, a well-known prime minister, and other world leaders”.

These are obviously allegations and not proven at this point - and the girl was 17 when it is alleged to have occurred (paedophilia in the USA, not in the UK). But one of the world's biggest investment bankers using young women as bribery to reach other major establishment figures seems very plausible. If true, it lends more credence to the idea of a coverup... but maybe an American court will be able to expose it where a British one wouldn't.

More interesting for me, in this account, is sudden introduction of Robert Maxwell and his daughter.

I'm not sure if most people my age, or outside the UK, are aware of this, but Maxwell was long considered an agent for Mossad (note: the Nick Davies mentioned is not the Guardian investigative journalist Nick Davies).  Ari Ben-Menashe isn't a 100% credible source, but he does seem to mostly know what he is talking about, and he has legitimate greivances with the state of Israel that suffice as motivation to spill the beans.

Now, it may not mean anything.  Probably doesn't.  It's just odd, that the daughter of a potentially very influential Israeli intelligence asset, who died in somewhat mysterious circumstances, should turn up under these circumstances.