So What's A White Boy To Do?

[East Coast Hustle]

This whole argument is starting to absolutely REEK of white guilt.

[Juana]

Not treating people like shit requires respecting their culture.

Balls.  I like Twid, and I respect Twid, but I have precisely zero respect for Catholicism or the culture it engenders.

Likewise, LMNO has an extreme distaste for my personal religion and its effect on my culture, yet I do not believe that he is treating me like shit.

ECH, on the other hand, makes fun of me for being a recovering Canadian, is disrespectful as hell...To the point of mailing me Beothuk bones with mocking cartoons etched in them and dirty photoshops of Pierre Trudeau and a circus midget.  He is a bad person, and he does bad things, and it gives me the weeps.  Something should be done.

"Respect" means understanding that Mary, etc. have meaning to Catholic people. That doesn't mean a person can't think it or the culture it creates is stupid or whatever (I do, too, actually, but I'm an ex-Catholic*). And I tend to think there's an open season on it if a person's accurate (because accuracy is much funnier than bullshit).


Give him the weeps back!

A person with Shiva-shorts is a) exploiting Hindu culture commercially and b) putting their ass on one of the most important deities in the religion. It's stripping the meaning off Shiva because he kind of looks cool, which is kind of an asshole move, imo.

Okay, I want all Eris tee shirts recalled.  And no more Buddy Jesus.

Who's wearing the Eris t-shirts? Anyone in a culture suffused with Christianity is fully allowed to make fun of it (and, imo, anyone who isn't, who can make fun of it in an accurate way, is welcome to do so).

Turns out that I'm fully allowed to make fun of whatever I please.  This may have social consequences, and I have to decide if it's worth it, but the short & skinny is that I can do as I please.  I am not bound by other peoples' decisions on this sort of thing.

Also - and this is what turns me off of activism entirely - there seems to be a rather selective standard going on here on more or less a regular basis.  Privileged White Boys need to go the fuck home.  Cis Man Tears (not trying to single you out here, just one example).  Faithfools.  I could go on, but what's the point?  The fact is, some cultures are apparently more equal than others when it comes to who gets respected and who doesn't.

Sure you can. I still think it's an asshole move often enough, but I'm not going to stop you (or anyone else).

A lot of that is supposed to make fun of behaviors of people within a specific demographic, not the whole group without respect to context. "Privileged white boys" is the guy who lectured Pixie. It's a behavior, not all white men.
"Faithfools" is just asshole atheists.

The fact is, some cultures are apparently more equal than others when it comes to who gets respected and who doesn't.

No, there isn't. I'm not sure where you're getting that.

taking money for sacred things strips the sacredness in many Native cultures.

If I don't believe I'm stripping the sacredness* of Christianity when I use holy water to wash my crotch, why should I believe I'm stripping the sacredness from the Sioux if I buy a tribal drum?







*And what the fuck does that mean?  A fetishistic attachment to an inanimate object?

You belong to a culture dripping with Christian influences. As I have said, that's different. Talk to Nigel about the drums.

No, it's what the object/whatever represents. When people get butthurt about burning American flags, it's not the actual flag they're mad about, it's what the flag represents.

Agh, this is a tangled issue I will come back to after class.

[Juana]

This whole argument is starting to absolutely REEK of white guilt.

It can, but not necessarily (and I personally don't feel guilty about that). It's not like PoC or whatever can't steal bits from other PoC.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

"Respect" means understanding that Mary, etc. have meaning to Catholic people.

Nope.  "Respect" means that I treat Twid the way I'd want to be treated, not because I have to or should, but because he's the kind of person I WANT to treat that way.

[LMNO]

This is running headlong into MyDiscordia™ and its reluctance to adapt my behaviors according to someone else's nonsensical beliefs, regardless of them being cultural opressors or not.

Let's abandon war bonnets, and christianity.

LETS TALK ABOUT PAGANS.  Should I care whether EBS is offended if I use his athame as a letter opener?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

A lot of that is supposed to make fun of behaviors of people within a specific demographic, not the whole group without respect to context.

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As a member of that demographic, I can't see ANY difference between that and any other broad-brush slur.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This is running headlong into MyDiscordia™ and its reluctance to adapt my behaviors according to someone else's nonsensical beliefs, regardless of them being cultural opressors or not.

Stop oppressing the queen, LMNO.  She cries when you do that.

[LMNO]

Sorry.



'UR-PRESSERS"

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Sorry.



'UR-PRESSERS"

TGRR,
Language Nazi

[Cain]

This is running headlong into MyDiscordia™ and its reluctance to adapt my behaviors according to someone else's nonsensical beliefs, regardless of them being cultural opressors or not.

Let's abandon war bonnets, and christianity.

LETS TALK ABOUT PAGANS.  Should I care whether EBS is offended if I use his athame as a letter opener?

No, because EBS is an idiot.

If other Pagans want to get offended, they can do.  But then they're also labelling themselves as idiots in the process.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This is running headlong into MyDiscordia™ and its reluctance to adapt my behaviors according to someone else's nonsensical beliefs, regardless of them being cultural opressors or not.

Let's abandon war bonnets, and christianity.

LETS TALK ABOUT PAGANS.  Should I care whether EBS is offended if I use his athame as a letter opener?

No, because EBS is an idiot.

If other Pagans want to get offended, they can do.  But then they're also labelling themselves as idiots in the process.

Also, good luck opening a letter with a disposable plastic knife.

[Cain]

It does make stabbing himself to death while in the depths of a meth burnout that much harder, though.

Sadly.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It does make stabbing himself to death while in the depths of a meth burnout that much harder, though.

Sadly.

We should chip in and send him some Cutco or something.

[Dildo Argentino]

If I don't want Monthy Python persecuted for taking the piss out of Christ, I can't be (don't want to be) hypocritical about it.

As much as it pains me to admit it, the troll raises a very good point here.

I command commend thee as an honest man.*

* Now that's a mistake I made because I'm foreign. Caught it, though.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

If I don't want Monthy Python persecuted for taking the piss out of Christ, I can't be (don't want to be) hypocritical about it.

As much as it pains me to admit it, the troll raises a very good point here.

I command thee as an honest man.

Oh, this should be good.  You COMMAND ECH?