A few thoughts on the latest round of White Guilt discussions

[AFK]

^^^ That. Far and away, most of us have some kind of it, but privilege intersects with so many parts of your life (where you're from, your race, gender, sex, religion, ability, sexuality, etc.) that it's to varying degrees. It's an incredibly complex issue.

It's a pointless issue.  We can spend our time in self-reflection and self-examination, measuring our prejudice and privilege, or we can just roll up our sleeves and actually try to fix shit.  Honestly, speaking from experience, someone who is underprivileged could give a fuck if you're privileged or not, as long as you walk the talk of trying to fix shit. 

[AFK]

Garbo,
Doubts it

Based on what information?  Right, none.  It's simply your belief that everyone MUST be tainted.  Because this is obviously one of YOUR prejudices.

[East Coast Hustle]

RWHN,
Unicorn

The fact that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it isn't there.

[Juana]

RWHN,
Unicorn

The fact that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it isn't there.

^^^ This. I believe you when you say you're committed to equality. I just don't believe you've managed to escape the bad signal totally unscathed.

[Juana]

And honestly, it's not a condemnation of you.

[AFK]

RWHN,
Unicorn

The fact that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it isn't there.

No, it's the fact that it isn't there that means it isn't there.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

A society that marginalizes significant portions of the population - which ours does - is a shitty society. We can do a lot to fix it. We have. But we have a lot more to go and in order to fix the problem, that there is a fundamental problem with our society must be admitted.

Ah now I understand, the best way to combat these problems is to insult the people you are trying to convince and roll your eyes at them.

My response to him had to do with him misconstruing my argument for three pages, mostly.

Speaking of which, I'll back off the "universal" point. There is possibly a person out there without a smidgen of prejudice, but I think they're pretty much a unicorn and 99.9999999999999+% of us will never meet them.

Female AIDS baby in the Congo.

I think that about covers it.

EDIT:  Whoops.  Read "prejudice" as "privilege".

[The Good Reverend Roger]

RWHN,
Unicorn

Not possible.

[AFK]

RWHN,
Unicorn

The fact that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it isn't there.

^^^ This. I believe you when you say you're committed to equality. I just don't believe you've managed to escape the bad signal totally unscathed.

As I explained, I was raised in a situation and environment where bad signal was apparent to me at a fairly early age.  I mean, it's why I left my parent's faith behind me in my tweens.  And as someone else mentioned, we are born without prejudice, we are born without baggage.  That shit is learned, and it is learned. in situations where one is not insatilled with the values to shun and reject that bad signal.  I was instilled with those values.  I was surrounded by adults for whom that was a strong value, and again, I don't feel I am that special and unique in that aspect.  Of course, things would be better if that was a much more widespread set of values, but I think it is incorrect to assume they can't exist, because they do.  I am walking proof.

[AFK]

RWHN,
Unicorn

Not possible.

That is your belief, I hold that it is incorrect.  I know me, you don't know me.  You can believe and assume what you wish, but you will still be making a guess, one that happens to be incorrect.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

RWHN,
Unicorn

The fact that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it isn't there.

^^^ This. I believe you when you say you're committed to equality. I just don't believe you've managed to escape the bad signal totally unscathed.

As I explained, I was raised in a situation and environment where bad signal was apparent to me at a fairly early age.  I mean, it's why I left my parent's faith behind me in my tweens.  And as someone else mentioned, we are born without prejudice, we are born without baggage.  That shit is learned, and it is learned. in situations where one is not insatilled with the values to shun and reject that bad signal.  I was instilled with those values.  I was surrounded by adults for whom that was a strong value, and again, I don't feel I am that special and unique in that aspect.  Of course, things would be better if that was a much more widespread set of values, but I think it is incorrect to assume they can't exist, because they do.  I am walking proof.

NO prejudice AT ALL?

Really.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the second coming of Jesus H Christ.   

[AFK]

RWHN,
Unicorn

The fact that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it isn't there.

^^^ This. I believe you when you say you're committed to equality. I just don't believe you've managed to escape the bad signal totally unscathed.

As I explained, I was raised in a situation and environment where bad signal was apparent to me at a fairly early age.  I mean, it's why I left my parent's faith behind me in my tweens.  And as someone else mentioned, we are born without prejudice, we are born without baggage.  That shit is learned, and it is learned. in situations where one is not insatilled with the values to shun and reject that bad signal.  I was instilled with those values.  I was surrounded by adults for whom that was a strong value, and again, I don't feel I am that special and unique in that aspect.  Of course, things would be better if that was a much more widespread set of values, but I think it is incorrect to assume they can't exist, because they do.  I am walking proof.

NO prejudice AT ALL?

Really.

People are individuals and should be judged on their individual merits.  It's always been a core value of mine.  Again, I feel I have ample company in that respect.

[Juana]

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the second coming of Jesus H Christ.   

Yes, apparently.

RWHN,
Unicorn

The fact that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it isn't there.

^^^ This. I believe you when you say you're committed to equality. I just don't believe you've managed to escape the bad signal totally unscathed.

As I explained, I was raised in a situation and environment where bad signal was apparent to me at a fairly early age.  I mean, it's why I left my parent's faith behind me in my tweens.  And as someone else mentioned, we are born without prejudice, we are born without baggage.  That shit is learned, and it is learned. in situations where one is not insatilled with the values to shun and reject that bad signal.  I was instilled with those values.  I was surrounded by adults for whom that was a strong value, and again, I don't feel I am that special and unique in that aspect.  Of course, things would be better if that was a much more widespread set of values, but I think it is incorrect to assume they can't exist, because they do.  I am walking proof.

I believe that your parents made an enormous effort to make you aware of the bad signal. Which is fantastic and I wish all parents did that. But I don't believe that you managed to deflect EVERY bad meme. There's too many of them.

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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the second coming of Jesus H Christ.   

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