Unlimited "Guns, Fuck Yeah!" Thread

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I think that part of the problems that i have with the second amendment being invoked by either side is that the framers could not possibly conceive of how weapons in the twenty first century would be like and that the framers intended the constitution to change with the needs of the people.

There's no difference in the relative power being discussed.  Back then, it was flintlock vs flintlock.  Both the people and government have more advanced firearms now, but the relative amount of technology (with respect to one group or the other) hasn't changed.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Perhaps. But again thats why i mentioned that i would expect arms restriction to have some post of standard. It doesnt matter if i have a single edged three inch blade or a sharpened broad sword. I can still kill you. In fact the knife would be more effective. If i have a sword i can exactly hide it. So i can have a steak knife and an axe but not a functional broadsword. Its illogical.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Perhaps. But again thats why i mentioned that i would expect arms restriction to have some post of standard. It doesnt matter if i have a single edged three inch blade or a sharpened broad sword. I can still kill you. In fact the knife would be more effective. If i have a sword i can exactly hide it. So i can have a steak knife and an axe but not a functional broadsword. Its illogical.

I'm against arms restrictions under any standard, in small part because of exactly that.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I would also like to relate a humorous story involving a weapon and canada. So villagers brother basically turned a lets hang out into an international kidnapping of my drummer and a mutual friend. Pete did not care so much because its pete. Mutual friend was where it got a bit kidnappy because it wasnt exactly like he could walk back to boston from maine. They ended up in montreal while vs bro was blasting canadian indie rock in honor of his heritage. Well he was kinda a tard for vampires and happene to have sharpened nunchaku in his trunk. Long story short he had to sign over his unusual weapon over to queen elizabeth and give it to french speakers. Also pete had to call work and say he was coming in late. How late? Very late. Where are you?montreal. Silence for about a full minute then just get here as soon as you can.

[Ben Shapiro]

From a rational point of view. People who want assualt rifles should pass military accuracy tests with at least 90%. I'm don't want armed citizens I want armed trained citizens. We don't hand out driver's licenses to any moron with a pulse, and a application fee. Also if you can no longer pass the accuracy test as you get older you should be denied unless you get the proper eye care.

I'm for a well oiled militia of citizens not a bunch fucking drunken retards who love them some freedom.

[Salty]

I've said it elsewhere, but I'm just flabbergasted that anyone thinks any measure taken by the US Government to save lives in a wide scale manner would work. It seems to me the only thing they give a damn about is making sure their friends make as much money as possible. It seems that their friends could give a fuck about those 87 people. It seems a helluva lot of the ACTION taken by the government thus far is going to be as effective at curbing gun violence in America as the TSA has been at curbing terrorism.

But no, let's all fight about pistol grips while The Man continues to fuck us collectively in the ass...

Thus perpetuation a system wherein people are left to fend for themselves physically and emotionally...

And since nobody is actually, you know, actually doing anything to limit the firepower of weapons in the US...

NOTHING WILL FUCKING CHANGE!

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Entirely reasonable. You have the right to drive but prove you can do it to begin with. I think that a lot of gun talk gets bogged down with well junk. What exactly is being proposed? I have a blind friend. She has a constitutional right to own a gun. Will she ever get licensed for it? No. Shes blind. She still has a right to it though. So what is being proposed exactly and why is the nra opposing it. More importantly how can you rationally sway my opinion for or against? Because ill be honest. I dont give a shit if i have the right to own a gun. It is irrelevant to contemporary urban living. Unless i get mugged and even then i probably cant draw in time. And the usual arguments of i need it to defend my liberties hold zero water as roger has pointed out. I an not against gun ownership mind you. I an just more of the mind of why do you need one in the first place?

[Nephew Twiddleton]

To detail the mugging scenario- some one pulls a gun on me and tells me to empty my pockets. Not only is my walletgone but so is my gun. My gun was useless and now a criminal has two guns. Im in a movie theatre and some guy comes in to shoot up the place. Unlikely. It happens but not enough to be a relevant scenario. Im a teacher. Honestly i probaly dont need that gun. I live in a rural area and need to eat. Theses still a supermarket nearby. I dont need a gun. I have a centuries old right to one but he suddenly i dont anymore my life does not change one iota.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Speaking as an amused spectator (read - someone not from america) this constitution-edit thingy of yours. Does it specifically mention "guns"?

Reason I ask is all i ever hear is "the right to bear arms" which I always took as some idealistic bullshit that actually meant "the right to stand up and fight" ie, "we the people will not take bullshit lying down" implicit would then be "using whatever is available"

Then there's the contradictory impression given from any debate like this that the strikeout-doohickey is actually saying "the god given right to have a gun"

Given that the whole NRA argument is based on the premise that knives are just as much a weapon as an ICBM. And I'm regularly hearing that a scud missile launcher with an anthrax payload is no more dangerous in the hands of a well trained operator than a sharp stick, my question would be - why would anyone need a fucking gun in the first place?

Given that tippexed-section no 2 of your most sacred and holy constitution says you have the right to "bear arms" exactly what is unconstitutional about banning the sale and possession of guns, taking into consideration that you are still left with the right to own equally devastating and effective apparatus of destruction such as kitchen knives and knuckledusters?

[East Coast Hustle]

Did you not read ECH's post at all? 

Yes, doesn't change the fact that we need gun control.  And of I had my way, we WOULD go farther than just "assault weapons", but I know my opinion is in a pretty small minority.

We have gun control. That's what registration, background checks, mandatory wait periods, etc. are.

It sounds like what you want is for civilians to be banned from owning guns.

[East Coast Hustle]

It's also interesting, as a general observation, that nobody got REALLY hot and bothered about this shit until it happened to a bunch of well-to-do white kids in CT. I definitely didn't see this outrage over black kids in Chicago dying by the hundreds from gang violence every year, or over all the young men dying in Mexico full of bullets shot from guns that largely came from the USA. So again, it seems to be mostly "ain't it awful" and that powerful fear/ignorance combination fed by the incessant hype of the 24 hour news cycle and not a whole lot of rational ideas, facts, or constructive dialogue.

[Cain]

Flamebait thread.

We already had a thread to discuss gun control (or not).  Why does RWHN want to start another one?  Probably because no-one wants to talk to him about narcotics anymore.

[Cain]

I've said it elsewhere, but I'm just flabbergasted that anyone thinks any measure taken by the US Government to save lives in a wide scale manner would work. It seems to me the only thing they give a damn about is making sure their friends make as much money as possible. It seems that their friends could give a fuck about those 87 people. It seems a helluva lot of the ACTION taken by the government thus far is going to be as effective at curbing gun violence in America as the TSA has been at curbing terrorism.

But no, let's all fight about pistol grips while The Man continues to fuck us collectively in the ass...

Thus perpetuation a system wherein people are left to fend for themselves physically and emotionally...

And since nobody is actually, you know, actually doing anything to limit the firepower of weapons in the US...

NOTHING WILL FUCKING CHANGE!

Also this.

Also, my right-hand index finger gets sympathy pains when I think about how to massacre a large group of people with anything less than a fully auto rifle.  Maybe with burst fire, but that's pushing it. 

Cain,
lazy murder planning

[AFK]

Did you not read ECH's post at all? 

Yes, doesn't change the fact that we need gun control.  And of I had my way, we WOULD go farther than just "assault weapons", but I know my opinion is in a pretty small minority.

We have gun control. That's what registration, background checks, mandatory wait periods, etc. are.

It sounds like what you want is for civilians to be banned from owning guns.

If I could wave a magic wand?  Sure. 


However, in the real world, no.  I just want to limit the types of guns people can purchase.  Not because it would eliminate murder by gun, but to make it more difficult thus providing more opportunities for a person to be stopped before it happens. 

[AFK]

It's also interesting, as a general observation, that nobody got REALLY hot and bothered about this shit until it happened to a bunch of well-to-do white kids in CT. I definitely didn't see this outrage over black kids in Chicago dying by the hundreds from gang violence every year, or over all the young men dying in Mexico full of bullets shot from guns that largely came from the USA. So again, it seems to be mostly "ain't it awful" and that powerful fear/ignorance combination fed by the incessant hype of the 24 hour news cycle and not a whole lot of rational ideas, facts, or constructive dialogue.

20 kids gunned down in their school IS awful.  Period.  That's not hype, that's truth.  20 kids who will no longer be getting on and off a bus every day.  20 empty chairs at dinner tables.  And all they were doing was going to school.  That shit is wrong.


Yes, people SHOULD be outraged by the 87 who die a day from gun violence.  People SHOULD be mad about the inner city kids being killed.  This SHOULD be a constant conversation until meaningful policy change is enacted to measurably reduce gun violence.  I completely agree.