Unlimited "Guns, Fuck Yeah!" Thread

[LMNO]

Matthew 67:5 -- Blessed are the gunmakers, saviours of all mankind (sorry, dad).

[Elder Iptuous]

i've got some firearm designs rolling around in my hear for a couple years.
when i manage to make one, i will perhaps name it The Plowshare...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Matthew 67:5 -- Blessed are the gunmakers, saviours of all mankind (sorry, dad).

Matthew 5:39 --  If someone strikes you on the right cheek, you have the legal right to bust a cap in his ass.

[LMNO]

John 91:6 -- Forgive them father, for they do not have a Tech-9.

[Elder Iptuous]

of course, there's the obvious passage

John 3:16 -- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten gun, that whosoever should holster it should not perish, but have everlasting Liberty.

[LMNO]

You win. That was awesome.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

of course, there's the obvious passage

John 3:16 -- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten gun, that whosoever should holster it should not perish, but have everlasting Liberty.

Thread over.   

[P3nT4gR4m]

RWHN isn't alone per say, I've merely written off the topic completely. I've seen nothing to change my mind about my stance that guns should first be regulated, then criminalised.
I'm not remotely convinced in the argument that they are a useful tool,
or that they in any way defend civil liberty, or in any way make the government somehow scared and kept in check.

The only conceivable argument that sways me in any way is the HONEST one; "They are fun", people don't want fun taken away and that is a valid argument.

But otherwise I wasted far too much time thinking about the issue, it doesn't apply to my country and it seems to be a giant honey-pot of attention so fuck that.

And that's the thing, this is a COMPLETELY American-centric argument, and it would be unreasonable to expect anyone who doesn't or hasn't lived in the states to understand the cultural framework of the argument.

That's what I figured. If this was an argument about making guns available to anyone with an unquenchable bloodlust in this country I'd be like "Fuck no" but I don't find myself surrounded by armed to the teeth nutjobs with an unquenchable bloodlust. Prohibition and it's totally meaningless little sister, regulation has been proven, time and time again, by history to be a surefire way to make any problem a million times worse, almost instantaneously.

I can only assume that if gun prohibition was introduced in America tonight, by tomorrow morning the only Americans left alive would be ones who happened to be overseas at the time and the one guy with the biggest ammo collection and the best aim, sat in a crows nest, overlooking the airport, patiently awaiting their return.

It's ridiculous and hilarious and maybe a tad sad that you keep hearing about the most kill-crazed nation on planet earth all acting surprised when the guy next to them gets randomly shot in the face and actually debating whether the problem is caused by not enough guns but it's one of those cultural things.

A lot of people over here act all shocked and outraged when shit like high school massacres go down but not me. I mean lets face it, okay it's always a bit sad to see kids dying but, realistically all that happened was several americans got shot a couple of years earlier than they would normally have. It's not like with kids in other countries where you'd reasonably expect them to grow up and reach old age without getting riddled with bullets at some point, right?

[LMNO]

I really need to hang out with non-Americans more often.

[P3nT4gR4m]

I really need to hang out with non-Americans more often.

Word of advice - don't choose Scots. Unless you could down a bottle of grouse and still drive home by the time you reached the age of 12, your liver wouldn't make it past the handshake.

[LMNO]

CHALLENGE ACCEPTED.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Yer on. Anytime you're in my neck of the woods, gimme a shout and I'll take you on a traditional Caledonian blackout

[LMNO]

As long as I can at least go to a football match and scream "ABERDEEEEEEN!" once, I'm in.

[Cain]

There's also the question of ideal-world American policy versus the dirty world of compromise, fake passion, real fundamentalism and limitless levels of corruption.

To change the laws on guns in a major way, one needs a Constitutional Convention.  And that puts the entire Constitution as it currently stands up for grabs.  Though to be honest, 1 and 4 are so abused and threadbare by this point, one may not notice much of a difference...anyway, what it means is, having the likes of John Boehner saying "what's in it for me, and how much do you really want this?"  Lets assume there was some political capital in doing this, just what do you think Boehner would ask for in return?  What rights do you think the Republicans would want to throw under a bus in return for this, assuming they could be convinced to vote for it at all?

You can argue whether or not in theory the US should have gun laws like Switzerland, or France, or even the UK.  But that is the cold, hard reality of the situation, and so really, most of this discussion is so much hot air.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

RWHN isn't alone per say, I've merely written off the topic completely. I've seen nothing to change my mind about my stance that guns should first be regulated, then criminalised.
I'm not remotely convinced in the argument that they are a useful tool,
or that they in any way defend civil liberty, or in any way make the government somehow scared and kept in check.

The only conceivable argument that sways me in any way is the HONEST one; "They are fun", people don't want fun taken away and that is a valid argument.

But otherwise I wasted far too much time thinking about the issue, it doesn't apply to my country and it seems to be a giant honey-pot of attention so fuck that.

And that's the thing, this is a COMPLETELY American-centric argument, and it would be unreasonable to expect anyone who doesn't or hasn't lived in the states to understand the cultural framework of the argument.

And that's just it.  I don't expect folks from other countries to adopt our insanity, or even agree in principle with it.  Their cultures are different, and seem to have their own unique problems.

Nor would I, unlike a couple of GOP legislators, assume that firearm ownership is a human right.  It isn't.  It's an American right.  Nor would I agree with them that an American should be able to carry firearms in another country simply by virtue of being an American.  When you are in someone else's country, you have to live by their laws.

I'm not even against gun control, as a general theory, and I would LOVE to live in a country where we didn't have guns, didn't have an outrageously high incarceration rate, didn't spend more than half our annual budget on the military, and also had privacy, and also didn't live in fear of our own country.

I might even be willing to consider the value of repealing the 2nd amendment if I thought it would WORK.

But we live in the country we live in, and until we address an awful lot of our other problems, there's no evidence whatsoever that gun bans would even work, PLUS there's that pesky Constitution thing.