Attention, Doobie

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Dear Doobie,

I've been reading your posts, and I have to ask you a question:

Just where, exactly, do you think you are?

We don not take "chill pills".  We do not "calm down".  We are not pleasant.  No.  We post here because we don't calm down.  We are offended, you see, and what offends us is a planet with 7.3 billion primates running loose. 

Yes, we realize that we are also primates, but we have two things THEY don't have.  A)  We have Eris & "Bob", and B)  We at least TRY to see the filters that we've placed in front of our eyes, or had placed in front of our eyes by others.  HINT:  Drugs are one of those filters.

So telling someone at PD to "take a chill pill" is actually worse than useless, because you're basically walking up to someone and demanding that they hand their bad day over to you.  We are not this way because it never OCCURRED to us to "chill out", we are this way because we don't WANT to "chill out".

Just thought you'd want to know.

Up the Revolution, Hippy,
The Good Reverend Roger

I'll listen to doobie telling me to chill after he correctly explains the meaning of a few of hirley0's posts to me.

Every now and then I understand hirley0, so I'll be very likely to spot any bullshit in the explanation.

Problem is, I think the 'chill' is just that.  shit.  wearing personas may be fun on facebook, but it doesn't seem to fly around here.

Bingo.

And those are the kind of people who don't think anyone else on the internet is a "real person" because they, themselves, have no idea how to be real, so they think everyone else suffers from the same disease.

Hence the persona "doobie".  An entire self-manufactured personality that revolves around pot.  I can only HOPE there's more to doobie than that.  You can't really blame her.  Internet society punishes those with anything resembling a complex personality.

Example:  On HFT and TDS, if you don't TOTALLY agree or disagree with the entire package as delivered, you are a "troll".  It is a binary solution set, and if you aren't 0 or 1, then you are a bug in the program.

This is one of many reasons I value being perceived as a troll.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This is one of many reasons I value being perceived as a troll.

I hear ya.

If they didn't think I was a troll, I'd have to re-examine the way I do things.  For all the screaming they do about Discordianism (on TDS) and free thinking (on HFT), they are all still locked in a series of false dichotomies, and a set of uniforms so starched they cut themselves on the creases.

TDS Discordians:  Endlessly spout the principia, so everyone knows that you're one of them, and to demonstrate your status in the peer group.  Stick to safe jokes, mostly involving hot dogs.  If you need to be edgy, crack racial jokes, which are perceived as being edgy in a safe way.

Free Thinkers:  Reinforce the beliefs - no matter how weird - of the other members.  Assume that criticism of any kind against a conspiracy theory, no matter how nutty, is evidence that the person doing so is a government agent.  Because the government, as we all know, sits around paralyzed with fear at the idea that someone is on to them.  While doing so, espouse behavior that is in fact the government's wet dream; "voluntary poverty" for one example (I shit you not).

[insideout]

This is one of many reasons I value being perceived as a troll.

I hear ya.

If they didn't think I was a troll, I'd have to re-examine the way I do things.  For all the screaming they do about Discordianism (on TDS) and free thinking (on HFT), they are all still locked in a series of false dichotomies, and a set of uniforms so starched they cut themselves on the creases.

TDS Discordians:  Endlessly spout the principia, so everyone knows that you're one of them, and to demonstrate your status in the peer group.  Stick to safe jokes, mostly involving hot dogs.  If you need to be edgy, crack racial jokes, which are perceived as being edgy in a safe way.

Free Thinkers:  Reinforce the beliefs - no matter how weird - of the other members.  Assume that criticism of any kind against a conspiracy theory, no matter how nutty, is evidence that the person doing so is a government agent.  Because the government, as we all know, sits around paralyzed with fear at the idea that someone is on to them.  While doing so, espouse behavior that is in fact the government's wet dream; "voluntary poverty" for one example (I shit you not).

I don't do facebook, but if this is what it is, I'm feeling horribly tempted.

both of those sound horribly easy to take advantage of. 
1) I think I'll be a Discordian Christian.
2) Principia Discordia has a secret message that is all about urination and defecation.  That is where the 'Pee' in principia comes from, after all.

Facebook is blocked from work;  I think I'll be facebooking tonite.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This is one of many reasons I value being perceived as a troll.

I hear ya.

If they didn't think I was a troll, I'd have to re-examine the way I do things.  For all the screaming they do about Discordianism (on TDS) and free thinking (on HFT), they are all still locked in a series of false dichotomies, and a set of uniforms so starched they cut themselves on the creases.

TDS Discordians:  Endlessly spout the principia, so everyone knows that you're one of them, and to demonstrate your status in the peer group.  Stick to safe jokes, mostly involving hot dogs.  If you need to be edgy, crack racial jokes, which are perceived as being edgy in a safe way.

Free Thinkers:  Reinforce the beliefs - no matter how weird - of the other members.  Assume that criticism of any kind against a conspiracy theory, no matter how nutty, is evidence that the person doing so is a government agent.  Because the government, as we all know, sits around paralyzed with fear at the idea that someone is on to them.  While doing so, espouse behavior that is in fact the government's wet dream; "voluntary poverty" for one example (I shit you not).

I don't do facebook, but if this is what it is, I'm feeling horribly tempted.

both of those sound horribly easy to take advantage of. 
1) I think I'll be a Discordian Christian.
2) Principia Discordia has a secret message that is all about urination and defecation.  That is where the 'Pee' in principia comes from, after all.

Facebook is blocked from work;  I think I'll be facebooking tonite.

If I haven't been banned on account of WSotTC, I'll be on as Hamish Howl.

[EK WAFFLR]

Not true.  I am sitting in my study, with a bottle of whiskey, watching Scandanavian crime dramas.

That is the height of modern culture.

Beck?

No, Wallander.  The original one, not the British knockoff.

Original Wallander is quite awesome.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Why are there so many noobs incapable of observing PD's culture?

Because our culture isn't typical.  The usual triggers don't work, at least not the way they work elsewhere, and also because we have different values than a great many people.

Example:  Being wrong.  We generally tend to respect people who admit they made an error.  For a good chunk of the rest of the world, that is a sign of weakness instead of a sign of strength.

In short, because we are fucked in the head in a different way than the rest of the world.

So I'd put forth that it's not the fault of the noob, but it IS the responsibility of the noob to adjust OR to deal with the inevitable shitstorms that come down the pike.  Sure, WE could adjust, but then PD wouldn't serve our purpose.

I think you hit it on the head Roger. This forums culture is almost 123 degrees different than "normal" Discordian culture. So you have a lot of n00bs that went from whatever culture/reality they lived in Pre-Eris to a Post-Eris reality that tends to be somewhat happy, hippy, silly... then they find this forum where the culture goes in a very different direction. Unfortunately, it has the same name and general architecture as the other culture. It's like some poor Catholic walking into a new church and seeing the Priest running a Thelemic ritual. 

And its difficult for a lot of people, even Discordians who generally get that two opposing positions can both be right, to integrate hot dog buns and bar stools or Turkey Curses and Horrormirth... or the Freedom Eris gives ('I tell you that you are Free') with the Black Iron Prison. To interact with the Discordian culture they know and with the Discordian culture here it almost requires active cognative dissonance.

But then, what better for Discord, Strife, Confusion and general mayhem?

(speaking from personal experience, ya know  )

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

The sad thing is that I feel like it tends to divide us into two groups; the Content Discordians and the Consumer Discordians.

They like what we WRITE, but they don't want us hanging around talking to them because we're too serious. Or something like that.

I do have to say that I really enjoy having my own writing unwittingly referenced in threads about how much me and my kind suck. That's pretty priceless.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

They like what we WRITE, but they don't want us hanging around talking to them because we're too serious. Or something like that.

Yeah, that happened to me here, in 2004.   

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

They like what we WRITE, but they don't want us hanging around talking to them because we're too serious. Or something like that.

Yeah, that happened to me here, in 2004.   

It's pretty shitty.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

They like what we WRITE, but they don't want us hanging around talking to them because we're too serious. Or something like that.

Yeah, that happened to me here, in 2004.   

It's pretty shitty.

It is.

But watching them use "The Parable of Steve" in an attempt to blast the author of said parable is SCREAMINGLY FUNNY.

Especially that Daan or Dann or whatver dude, who views TDS as more "decent", because RACIAL "HUMOR" IS MORE DECENT THAN ADMITTING THAT BAD THINGS HAPPEN IN THE WORLD.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

They like what we WRITE, but they don't want us hanging around talking to them because we're too serious. Or something like that.

Yeah, that happened to me here, in 2004.   

It's pretty shitty.

It is.

But watching them use "The Parable of Steve" in an attempt to blast the author of said parable is SCREAMINGLY FUNNY.

Yeah, man, THAT just about had me shitting myself, it was so fucking funny.

Especially that Daan or Dann or whatver dude, who views TDS as more "decent", because RACIAL "HUMOR" IS MORE DECENT THAN ADMITTING THAT BAD THINGS HAPPEN IN THE WORLD.

Well, we're not shiny, and it makes them think about unshiny things. That's unpleasant and can't be allowed.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I don't believe that MAKING THEM THINK AT ALL can be allowed.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I don't believe that MAKING THEM THINK AT ALL can be allowed.

Not even a little bit. Things that make them think are scary.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Apparently I missed a noob.