Tennessee getting ready to throw poor students under the bus.

[Juana]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Jeezus dude, that's going a bit far don't you think? I mean, sure, rib the kid for being young or whatever but calling him a racist is a bit much I think.

If a white person uses the words "white flighting" to describe an action they have or may feel they have to take in order to "defend" their property, there's 169% chance they're a racist, even if they don't, strictly speaking, realize it.

[Banned User 1]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Well, call it perhaps me being indoctrinated by right-wing ideologies, (this thread is really making me realise how bad the materials I've been reading in the past 3-5 years have really been), but instead of being angry at a private business, I feel I need to be angry with myself for being only worth 9.50/hr...I use this sort of self-loathing as motivation for taking action to better my self.

[Junkenstein]

Yeah, that's a good point.

You just argued that the safety net allowed you to get yourself to a better place. Where would have been without it?

[joke]I would have been a free market capitalist making a living as the executive of a local-scale marijuana sales firms[/joke]

In all seriousness, my old opinion is breaking down.

This is good too. Again, I come here mainly because this forum holds opinions that are so contrary to what I usually hold as valid. Thanks again, PD, for making me look retarded, such that I may further my understanding of political discourses!

The point is, if you were half as dependent on the system as you claim, without it you would be dead or in jail.

[Juana]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Well, call it perhaps me being indoctrinated by right-wing ideologies, (this thread is really making me realise how bad the materials I've been reading in the past 3-5 years have really been),

Good.

but instead of being angry at a private business, I feel I need to be angry with myself for being only worth 9.50/hr...I use this sort of self-loathing as motivation for taking action to better my self.

Bad. Your self loathing doesn't do much but benefit them. and why would you give them that?

[Banned User 1]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Jeezus dude, that's going a bit far don't you think? I mean, sure, rib the kid for being young or whatever but calling him a racist is a bit much I think.

If a white person uses the words "white flighting" to describe an action they have or may feel they have to take in order to "defend" their property, there's 169% chance they're a racist, even if they don't, strictly speaking, realize it.

I'll be brutally honest in saying that I was attacked by a group of 7 or so african americans and this resulted in my being injured so bad that I wasn't able to complete college, or even walk for about a year. So, yes, due to some unresolved PTSD, I do hold some subconscious racism.

I'd like to resolve those issues, though...it's hard to find materials related to deconditioning racist tendancies, though, since the whole notion of the "white male racist" is so criminalised...

[Salty]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Well, call it perhaps me being indoctrinated by right-wing ideologies, (this thread is really making me realise how bad the materials I've been reading in the past 3-5 years have really been),

Good.

but instead of being angry at a private business, I feel I need to be angry with myself for being only worth 9.50/hr...I use this sort of self-loathing as motivation for taking action to better my self.

Bad. Your self loathing doesn't do much but benefit them. and why would you give them that?

Yeah, self confidence, dignity, the will to persevere despite hardship are all valuable skills best met without self loathing. Especially since.there's little in this life that you actually.own.

[Banned User 1]

Yeah, that's a good point.

You just argued that the safety net allowed you to get yourself to a better place. Where would have been without it?

[joke]I would have been a free market capitalist making a living as the executive of a local-scale marijuana sales firms[/joke]

In all seriousness, my old opinion is breaking down.

This is good too. Again, I come here mainly because this forum holds opinions that are so contrary to what I usually hold as valid. Thanks again, PD, for making me look retarded, such that I may further my understanding of political discourses!

The point is, if you were half as dependent on the system as you claim, without it you would be dead or in jail.

Ah, dude, totally got the point. My "joke" was intended to illustrate that idea.

It's causing cognitive dissonance that I used a system I was railing against, therefore, my opinions are breaking, and hopefully this allows me to see past a shit ton of bad literature that has led me into my current outlooks on things...

[Juana]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Jeezus dude, that's going a bit far don't you think? I mean, sure, rib the kid for being young or whatever but calling him a racist is a bit much I think.

If a white person uses the words "white flighting" to describe an action they have or may feel they have to take in order to "defend" their property, there's 169% chance they're a racist, even if they don't, strictly speaking, realize it.

I'll be brutally honest in saying that I was attacked by a group of 7 or so african americans and this resulted in my being injured so bad that I wasn't able to complete college, or even walk for about a year. So, yes, due to some unresolved PTSD, I do hold some subconscious racism.

I'd like to resolve those issues, though...it's hard to find materials related to deconditioning racist tendancies, though, since the whole notion of the "white male racist" is so criminalised...

What does that even mean?
Also, go read the BIP.

[Banned User 1]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Well, call it perhaps me being indoctrinated by right-wing ideologies, (this thread is really making me realise how bad the materials I've been reading in the past 3-5 years have really been),

Good.

but instead of being angry at a private business, I feel I need to be angry with myself for being only worth 9.50/hr...I use this sort of self-loathing as motivation for taking action to better my self.

Bad. Your self loathing doesn't do much but benefit them. and why would you give them that?

Conditioned helplessness and a passive-agressive personality I guess...

[Banned User 1]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Jeezus dude, that's going a bit far don't you think? I mean, sure, rib the kid for being young or whatever but calling him a racist is a bit much I think.

If a white person uses the words "white flighting" to describe an action they have or may feel they have to take in order to "defend" their property, there's 169% chance they're a racist, even if they don't, strictly speaking, realize it.

I'll be brutally honest in saying that I was attacked by a group of 7 or so african americans and this resulted in my being injured so bad that I wasn't able to complete college, or even walk for about a year. So, yes, due to some unresolved PTSD, I do hold some subconscious racism.

I'd like to resolve those issues, though...it's hard to find materials related to deconditioning racist tendancies, though, since the whole notion of the "white male racist" is so criminalised...

What does that even mean?
Also, go read the BIP.

The BIP isn't helpful to me on the issue...tbh, all I ever take away from the BIP when I read it can be summed up in 2 or 3 pages in the principia; the ones related to psycho-metaphysics....

anyway...

Try googling something like "curing racism" or "racism counseling" or any number of queries that essentially relate to "I'm racist and don't want to be anymore"...90% of your top articles relate to essentially calling white males who hold racist views tiny-dicked hicks or self-loathing bastards. They're also more typically editorials moreso than self help...

Huh...while writing this post, I did note something interesting though...

In the video "how to operate your brain", Tim Leary talks about how "those who control your eyeballs, control your brain"...I interpret this as meaing "the more shit you read/watch, the more shit you think, and thus shit becomes truth."

I've been reading/watching bad shit for some time...perhaps me coming to PD is beneficial in that I'm replacing bad shit, with shit that conflicts with the shit I hold true. Mabey if I linger long enough, I can become reconditioned simply by removing my usual shit from my viewing habits...

Sorry for the tl;dr rant

[Juana]

*shrug* I found the "redecorating your cell" metaphor to be very useful in dealing with my own, myriad issues.

Unlearning problematic behavior/ideas takes time. I found picking apart the programming (who benefits, why do they want me to think this way, etc.) to be useful.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I can understand opposition to the "gay" bill, but what is exactly so wrong with suspending state-aid to people who don't maintain productivity?

Because aid us aid, not incentive to.produce.
You either take care of those who cannot care for themselves or you take care of your political backers

I always rationalised aid programs under the notion that one is providing aid in order to allow a person not to starve to death while they try to become independent, productive individuals. Naturally, for the permanently disabled, this is not the case, but for "poor assistance", isn't "give them a crutch until they're productive" kinda the point?

If it isn't, and this "aid is aid" attitude is how things "should be", then I'm kinda seeing the whole aid system as being kinda full of fail and AIDS in its entirety. This sort of thinking leads to an unfeasible aid system, wherein there is no incentive to contribute productively, and all the incentive in the world to leech from aid...'least that's how I've been seeing it...

Pretty sure the aid is there "so children don't starve".  I know that's not very free-market friendly or anything, but I think I have to put "children getting to eat" ahead of some political ideal.

Also, if you're worried about poor people leeching a bit, when assmonkeys in the banking system have opened 3 arteries, then your priorities are fucked up.

[Q. G. Pennyworth]

I can't believe you guys started in on this while I was stuck cleaning!

New guy, get in on the cookies, I have a feeling this thread is going AWESOME PLACES.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Your definition of "entitlement" is confusing to me. In the places in which I see the term usually, entitlement is used as a term against those who believe that the state should provide welfare under the assumption that every human being is "entitled" to resources.

And this is the root cause of the miscommunication, here.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I see it as either I have the minor inconvenience of alleviating these people's ails, or the minor inconvenience of defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me.

Whoa.

Shades of George Zimmerman.

I'm out.