Tennessee getting ready to throw poor students under the bus.

[Cainad (dec.)]

I see it as either I have the minor inconvenience of alleviating these people's ails, or the minor inconvenience of defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me.

Whoa.

Shades of George Zimmerman.

I'm out.

There's a biped somewhere in there, TGRR. It's just been buried in a fuckton of bad signal.

[navkat]

"It's your fault that you're poor. If you wanted to not be poor, you should have pulled yourself up by your bootstraps and worked harder or gone to college, moron.

No, you may NOT have an affordable education or a job because you'll ruin the economy if you're not poor, dummy.

No, you are NOT entitled to any help because you're poor. Tax dollars are reserved to help out those who MADE something of themselves by not being poor, loser.

WAKE UP AND STOP BEING POOR. Stupid liberal."

See? It's simple. This is all about job-creation and putting people to WORK.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I see it as either I have the minor inconvenience of alleviating these people's ails, or the minor inconvenience of defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me.

Whoa.

Shades of George Zimmerman.

I'm out.

There's a biped somewhere in there, TGRR. It's just been buried in a fuckton of bad signal.

Uhhh, Cainad, he said "defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me."

And he thinks poor people have to be "productive" after a set time on some inadequate aid. I guess people with a fuckton of money are "productive". Like the Kardashians.

[Salty]

I see it as either I have the minor inconvenience of alleviating these people's ails, or the minor inconvenience of defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me.

Whoa.

Shades of George Zimmerman.

I'm out.

There's a biped somewhere in there, TGRR. It's just been buried in a fuckton of bad signal.

Uhhh, Cainad, he said "defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me."

And he thinks poor people have to be "productive" after a set time on some inadequate aid. I guess people with a fuckton of money are "productive". Like the Kardashians.

People ought to be allowed to be dumb.

I agree with Cainad, I think he just doesn't know any better. There's a lot of bad signal put there, and he seems open.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

I see it as either I have the minor inconvenience of alleviating these people's ails, or the minor inconvenience of defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me.

Whoa.

Shades of George Zimmerman.

I'm out.

There's a biped somewhere in there, TGRR. It's just been buried in a fuckton of bad signal.

Uhhh, Cainad, he said "defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me."

And he thinks poor people have to be "productive" after a set time on some inadequate aid. I guess people with a fuckton of money are "productive". Like the Kardashians.

People ought to be allowed to be dumb.

I agree with Cainad, I think he just doesn't know any better. There's a lot of bad signal put there, and he seems open.

OK.
Maybe he's from Houston or something. Benefit of doubt given.

[Cainad (dec.)]

Uhhh, Cainad, he said "defending my property/white flighting my ass away from those who'd steal from me."

And he thinks poor people have to be "productive" after a set time on some inadequate aid. I guess people with a fuckton of money are "productive". Like the Kardashians.

I stand by what I said, as per the following glimmers of bipedalism:

Well, call it perhaps me being indoctrinated by right-wing ideologies, (this thread is really making me realise how bad the materials I've been reading in the past 3-5 years have really been), but instead of being angry at a private business, I feel I need to be angry with myself for being only worth 9.50/hr...I use this sort of self-loathing as motivation for taking action to better my self.

Yeah, that's a good point.

You just argued that the safety net allowed you to get yourself to a better place. Where would have been without it?

[joke]I would have been a free market capitalist making a living as the executive of a local-scale marijuana sales firms[/joke]

In all seriousness, my old opinion is breaking down.

This is good too. Again, I come here mainly because this forum holds opinions that are so contrary to what I usually hold as valid. Thanks again, PD, for making me look retarded, such that I may further my understanding of political discourses!

The point is, if you were half as dependent on the system as you claim, without it you would be dead or in jail.

Ah, dude, totally got the point. My "joke" was intended to illustrate that idea.

It's causing cognitive dissonance that I used a system I was railing against, therefore, my opinions are breaking, and hopefully this allows me to see past a shit ton of bad literature that has led me into my current outlooks on things...

No one's born with smart thoughts in their head. If you've had the bad luck to spend your intellectually formative years surrounded by bad signal, then having the gonads to admit that at all is practically a miracle.

I'm 22 years old; if I hadn't found PD.com at the tender age of 17, who knows what kind of crap might have accumulated in my brain?

[The Johnny]

He has said a number of disgusting things, but he hasn't stood his ground for any of them, which can mean a number of things:

-Lack of integrity for his beliefs.
-Peer pressure.
-A sincere questioning of his (loose) beliefs.

[AFK]

And since none of us are mind-readers, I dunno, maybe give the guy a chance? 


Crazy idea, I know.

[Cainad (dec.)]

He has said a number of disgusting things, but he hasn't stood his ground for any of them, which can mean a number of things:

-Lack of integrity for his beliefs.
-Peer pressure.
-A sincere questioning of his (loose) beliefs.

I'm trending towards the third option, but then again I'm overdue to have my optimism gland drained.

Not that I'm advising being merciful or anything. It is PD, after all.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It's putting people on welfare through a humiliating and potentially worthless set of tests, designed to see if they meet arbitrary standards of being the "moral poor".  I mean, what's the contention here?  That people addicted to drugs don't starve?  They're probably financing their habit through crime anyway, it's not like the welfare system pays enough to sustain a long-term drug habit.

And you know what?  If it was put in place it would almost certainly cost more to set up and run the entire drug testing system than would be saved by catching the few crackheads trying to cheat the system.  Who wins?  The labs doing the tests.  Not the taxpayer, not the people on welfare and not drug addicts.

It has been put in place in several states, was incredibly expensive to run, and the percentage of those receiving aid who tested positive for drugs was negligible.

[navkat]

It's putting people on welfare through a humiliating and potentially worthless set of tests, designed to see if they meet arbitrary standards of being the "moral poor".  I mean, what's the contention here?  That people addicted to drugs don't starve?  They're probably financing their habit through crime anyway, it's not like the welfare system pays enough to sustain a long-term drug habit.

And you know what?  If it was put in place it would almost certainly cost more to set up and run the entire drug testing system than would be saved by catching the few crackheads trying to cheat the system.  Who wins?  The labs doing the tests.  Not the taxpayer, not the people on welfare and not drug addicts.

It has been put in place in several states, was incredibly expensive to run, and the percentage of those receiving aid who tested positive for drugs was negligible.

But, but...who will keep Quest Labs creating JOBS if they don't have government contracts and grant-money to employ all those $8-an-hour workers to watch people pee?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Oh, hah, you guise, I'm sure there's no way this guy is in fact a typical white male, early 20's who just shat his britches after downing Atlas Shrugged and is riding high in a wave of unknown entitlement.

That would just be, well, the kind of trite cliche that doesn't happen in real life. Right?

Your definition of "entitlement" is confusing to me. In the places in which I see the term usually, entitlement is used as a term against those who believe that the state should provide welfare under the assumption that every human being is "entitled" to resources.

Also, haven't read Ayn Rand since highschool...and to be honest, back then I was the dirty pot smoking hippy who would have probably been poking fun of current me for being such a harsh and evil man -- if anything, at that stage, I saw Rand's works as being anti-authoritarian rather than being related to free market capitalism...mainly because I was stupid at the time. No, it wasn't Ayn Rand who turned me to my current beliefs about the world...it was living life under the boot of government welfare, poverty, and all of its short comings and abuses that motivated me to strive to be better than not only my neighbours, but my prior self as well.

In other words, I was once one of those "degenerate poor" that I may come off as railing against. Being such a pathetic thing made me hate myself. That hate towards my situation motivated me to strive to be better than myself.

Oh. A bootstrapper. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Well, call it perhaps me being indoctrinated by right-wing ideologies, (this thread is really making me realise how bad the materials I've been reading in the past 3-5 years have really been), but instead of being angry at a private business, I feel I need to be angry with myself for being only worth 9.50/hr...I use this sort of self-loathing as motivation for taking action to better my self.

Really? I'm not using self-loathing, I'm using loathing of the system as motivation for getting my PhD and bettering myself.

I grew up poor, had a successful business, lost it, and am in college working hard and doing well. Also poor as fuck and on food stamps. I don't see any particular reason to hate myself for growing up poor or losing my business in the recession, though. That's illogical and unproductive, and not particularly conducive to acquiring the skills and presenting the self-confidence necessary to be a good writer and public speaker, which are skills I will need as a neuroscience researcher.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Jeezus dude, that's going a bit far don't you think? I mean, sure, rib the kid for being young or whatever but calling him a racist is a bit much I think.

If a white person uses the words "white flighting" to describe an action they have or may feel they have to take in order to "defend" their property, there's 169% chance they're a racist, even if they don't, strictly speaking, realize it.

I'll be brutally honest in saying that I was attacked by a group of 7 or so african americans and this resulted in my being injured so bad that I wasn't able to complete college, or even walk for about a year. So, yes, due to some unresolved PTSD, I do hold some subconscious racism.

I'd like to resolve those issues, though...it's hard to find materials related to deconditioning racist tendancies, though, since the whole notion of the "white male racist" is so criminalised...

What does that even mean?
Also, go read the BIP.

The BIP isn't helpful to me on the issue...tbh, all I ever take away from the BIP when I read it can be summed up in 2 or 3 pages in the principia; the ones related to psycho-metaphysics....

anyway...

Try googling something like "curing racism" or "racism counseling" or any number of queries that essentially relate to "I'm racist and don't want to be anymore"...90% of your top articles relate to essentially calling white males who hold racist views tiny-dicked hicks or self-loathing bastards. They're also more typically editorials moreso than self help...

Huh...while writing this post, I did note something interesting though...

In the video "how to operate your brain", Tim Leary talks about how "those who control your eyeballs, control your brain"...I interpret this as meaing "the more shit you read/watch, the more shit you think, and thus shit becomes truth."

I've been reading/watching bad shit for some time...perhaps me coming to PD is beneficial in that I'm replacing bad shit, with shit that conflicts with the shit I hold true. Mabey if I linger long enough, I can become reconditioned simply by removing my usual shit from my viewing habits...

Sorry for the tl;dr rant

Why would you need to google that shit? Any decent therapist with PTSD skills and experience should be able to work with you on that. Google isn't going to do fuck-all for you.

[Banned User 1]

And also it amuses me that you're mad at poor people instead of the corporations that are responsible for the fact that you're only making $9.50 an hour.
What you should be doing instead of being racist and classist is going after the entities responsible for the situation.

Jeezus dude, that's going a bit far don't you think? I mean, sure, rib the kid for being young or whatever but calling him a racist is a bit much I think.

If a white person uses the words "white flighting" to describe an action they have or may feel they have to take in order to "defend" their property, there's 169% chance they're a racist, even if they don't, strictly speaking, realize it.

I'll be brutally honest in saying that I was attacked by a group of 7 or so african americans and this resulted in my being injured so bad that I wasn't able to complete college, or even walk for about a year. So, yes, due to some unresolved PTSD, I do hold some subconscious racism.

I'd like to resolve those issues, though...it's hard to find materials related to deconditioning racist tendancies, though, since the whole notion of the "white male racist" is so criminalised...

What does that even mean?
Also, go read the BIP.

The BIP isn't helpful to me on the issue...tbh, all I ever take away from the BIP when I read it can be summed up in 2 or 3 pages in the principia; the ones related to psycho-metaphysics....

anyway...

Try googling something like "curing racism" or "racism counseling" or any number of queries that essentially relate to "I'm racist and don't want to be anymore"...90% of your top articles relate to essentially calling white males who hold racist views tiny-dicked hicks or self-loathing bastards. They're also more typically editorials moreso than self help...

Huh...while writing this post, I did note something interesting though...

In the video "how to operate your brain", Tim Leary talks about how "those who control your eyeballs, control your brain"...I interpret this as meaing "the more shit you read/watch, the more shit you think, and thus shit becomes truth."

I've been reading/watching bad shit for some time...perhaps me coming to PD is beneficial in that I'm replacing bad shit, with shit that conflicts with the shit I hold true. Mabey if I linger long enough, I can become reconditioned simply by removing my usual shit from my viewing habits...

Sorry for the tl;dr rant

Why would you need to google that shit? Any decent therapist with PTSD skills and experience should be able to work with you on that. Google isn't going to do fuck-all for you.

No money to seek professional help...too poor to afford healthcare, too "rich" to have someone else afford it for me