Redemption

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

Okay, so  sign a pention. If you get enough sigs, I give Faust the thumbs up to rip it down. Hell, get five. Mod the shit out of it. I don't give a rat's ass anymore.

I need to go yell fire in a theater or some shit. Rip wings of of flies. Catch ya ltr.

what is so difficult to grasp?

Do you actually care more about saying whatever the fuck you like than causing pain to others?

it's all it really fucking boils down to.

It's a pretty simple question and you are dancing around it like you're in a fucking conga line.

or am i just pissing in the wind here?

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

 

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Okay, so  sign a pention. If you get enough sigs, I give Faust the thumbs up to rip it down. Hell, get five. Mod the shit out of it. I don't give a rat's ass anymore.

I need to go yell fire in a theater or some shit. Rip wings of of flies. Catch ya ltr.

what is so difficult to grasp?

Do you actually care more about saying whatever the fuck you like than causing pain to others?

it's all it really fucking boils down to.

It's a pretty simple question and you are dancing around it like you're in a fucking conga line.

or am i just pissing in the wind here?

I think we might have an incipient NEW AND IMPROVED drug thread here, Pixie.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

you know rather than pulling the "I'll take my boa and go" thing, maybe the defensive attitude isn't helpful.

cos seriously, that's what's making me pissy right now.

we aren't going to fucking well mod you. THIS IS PD.

Just wondering if you will think before you speak?

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

Okay, so  sign a pention. If you get enough sigs, I give Faust the thumbs up to rip it down. Hell, get five. Mod the shit out of it. I don't give a rat's ass anymore.

I need to go yell fire in a theater or some shit. Rip wings of of flies. Catch ya ltr.

what is so difficult to grasp?

Do you actually care more about saying whatever the fuck you like than causing pain to others?

it's all it really fucking boils down to.

It's a pretty simple question and you are dancing around it like you're in a fucking conga line.

or am i just pissing in the wind here?

I think we might have an incipient NEW AND IMPROVED drug thread here, Pixie.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

Okay, so  sign a pention. If you get enough sigs, I give Faust the thumbs up to rip it down. Hell, get five. Mod the shit out of it. I don't give a rat's ass anymore.

I need to go yell fire in a theater or some shit. Rip wings of of flies. Catch ya ltr.

what is so difficult to grasp?

Do you actually care more about saying whatever the fuck you like than causing pain to others?

it's all it really fucking boils down to.

It's a pretty simple question and you are dancing around it like you're in a fucking conga line.

or am i just pissing in the wind here?

I think we might have an incipient NEW AND IMPROVED drug thread here, Pixie.

No, I'm seeing this is a definition of madness kind of thing.. I'f i don't get clarification I'll just file under "bad for blood pressure" and say fuck it.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Okay, so  sign a pention. If you get enough sigs, I give Faust the thumbs up to rip it down. Hell, get five. Mod the shit out of it. I don't give a rat's ass anymore.

I need to go yell fire in a theater or some shit. Rip wings of of flies. Catch ya ltr.

You know, I've had enough.  Later.

[LMNO]

Pix: I understand your point. And the level of the trigger was pretty big.

But, I have to be honest, and even though I spoke against it, a balance must be struck between words being said as words, and words being received as actions.

At what point does empathy dominate a person's ability to communicate to such a level that content is lost in the strive not to offend?

Roger's post about anti-communication is awesome. And clearly shows that the delivery affects communication. But there really should be some burden put on the listener to recognize their reactions, and maybe think through them.

I am NOT dismissing triggers, because they demonstrably exist and upset people. And an effort must be taken to ensure that the words used are not meant to stop conversation. But when an excess of empathy overwhelms a desire to speak, then we enter the realm of F5. People afraid to post, at the risk of offence, and devolving into inoffensive fluff and seeing what someone else says.

Again, what sparked this is fairly beyond the pale, but I'm speaking to the principle, not the most recent occurrence.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Pix: I understand your point. And the level of the trigger was pretty big.

But, I have to be honest, and even though I spoke against it, a balance must be struck between words being said as words, and words being received as actions.

At what point does empathy dominate a person's ability to communicate to such a level that content is lost in the strive not to offend?

Roger's post about anti-communication is awesome. And clearly shows that the delivery affects communication. But there really should be some burden put on the listener to recognize their reactions, and maybe think through them.

I am NOT dismissing triggers, because they demonstrably exist and upset people. And an effort must be taken to ensure that the words used are not meant to stop conversation. But when an excess of empathy overwhelms a desire to speak, then we enter the realm of F5. People afraid to post, at the risk of offence, and devolving into inoffensive fluff and seeing what someone else says.

Again, what sparked this is fairly beyond the pale, but I'm speaking to the principle, not the most recent occurrence.

I think that all my point was, was what I said in my post, ie. "was that really necessary?" and "Saying shit like that when it's not necessary will repulse people". That's pretty much it. It would have been nice to get some acknowledgement of that, as it was primarily intended as a heads-up and not a beatdown or a dismissal, but frankly after the not-entirely-coherent but obviously profoundly hostile and defensive responses I'm not interested in offering reality checks or any other kind of interaction anymore.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

I am NOT dismissing triggers, because they demonstrably exist and upset people. And an effort must be taken to ensure that the words used are not meant to stop conversation. But when an excess of empathy overwhelms a desire to speak, then we enter the realm of F5. People afraid to post, at the risk of offence, and devolving into inoffensive fluff and seeing what someone else says.

I can see both sides of this rather a lot.

This is a problem I run into. I have a very hard time judging what is appropriate phrasing on PD so I don't talk a lot because I'm convinced I'm going to say what I'm trying to get out the wrong way and then spend the rest of the day with FUCK YOU, ASSHAT!! and then while I'm at work I'll worry about it and come home to YOU DIDN'T REPLY SO YOU ARE A DOUCHECANOE TIMES TWO!! stuff. So I try not to post unless I've either 1.) got something harmless to say or 2.) have thought about it a fair bit. I delete about five times the posts I actually make.

I consider it part of the learning process, working around my brain issues.

I guess I was trying to say I don't know where the line is for empathy vs suck it up, either, but I got lost.

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

Pix: I understand your point. And the level of the trigger was pretty big.

But, I have to be honest, and even though I spoke against it, a balance must be struck between words being said as words, and words being received as actions.

At what point does empathy dominate a person's ability to communicate to such a level that content is lost in the strive not to offend?

Roger's post about anti-communication is awesome. And clearly shows that the delivery affects communication. But there really should be some burden put on the listener to recognize their reactions, and maybe think through them.

I am NOT dismissing triggers, because they demonstrably exist and upset people. And an effort must be taken to ensure that the words used are not meant to stop conversation. But when an excess of empathy overwhelms a desire to speak, then we enter the realm of F5. People afraid to post, at the risk of offence, and devolving into inoffensive fluff and seeing what someone else says.

Again, what sparked this is fairly beyond the pale, but I'm speaking to the principle, not the most recent occurrence.

I think it's context and the space you are in and the people in it, primarily.

Intent IS a factor, of course, and you can tell malice from ignorance a lot of the time in speech, YMMV online, though.

I think that if you do fuck up and push it too far, an apology and a note for "lets not repeat do that in the place you said it or around person that it hurt." is a good enough way to balance self-expression vs potential negative impact. (e.g i have filters for FB that if people are triggered by the content i post, they can message me and I can filter them out of those posts.)

Misjudging these things is easy. We have all done it.

Everyone fucks up. it's how it's dealt with in the aftermath that's more important, and dismissing others experiences / dictating how they should feel after the fact is a dick move.

I'm used to minding what i say around certain people, and I can still get my point across, just takes a more deft use of language and creativity to get to the same point.

I think that's maybe why i don't mind, because for me (again YMMV) it's a challenge to creativity. I'm also used to hanging around with abuse survivors on a regular basis, so for me it's kind of become reflex.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Yep, say what you want. If you fuck up, "sorry, my bad" pretty much makes it go away.
Bipedalism vs. digging in heels, etc.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Yep, say what you want. If you fuck up, "sorry, my bad" pretty much makes it go away.
Bipedalism vs. digging in heels, etc.

Yep, pretty much.

[Faust]

Okay, so  sign a pention. If you get enough sigs, I give Faust the thumbs up to rip it down. Hell, get five. Mod the shit out of it. I don't give a rat's ass anymore.

I need to go yell fire in a theater or some shit. Rip wings of of flies. Catch ya ltr.

I'd rather not, Its been about two years since I have split or modded a thread, I'd prefer not to.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Getting butthurt because people are saying shit you don't like in response to you saying something they didn't like and accusing them of censorship is, IMO, fucking retarded.

What Navcat has been saying for the last couple of pages (or the way I've been reading it at least) is

"Free speech mofos I can say anything I like, tralala..."

followed by

"Waaaahh. Stop responding by saying things I don't like. You have no right"

Often in the same sentence.