On fucked Millennials:

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

i just think that armchair sociology can lead to discrimination, typification and scapegoating, and we can even see it in this same thread

But then, without Mom and Dad's house, where would the poor millennials live, and whose internet would they use to write blogs about how they're not lazy, they're oppressed?

which boils down to "X groupality are entitled and lazy" which makes echo of the Times cover... in the world of social representations, the easier route for interpretation at one's convenience is "X groupality is, lazy, stupid or evil"

can "laziness" even be measured in a sociological manner?

Wow, I think you totally missed my point in a most spectacular way.

My point---> Everybody's fucked, and the only people who potentially have the ability to do something about it are the young.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I was, however, making fun of that blogger for getting CLOSE but then completely missing the boat. "Lazy" was HIS word, if you fucking take a minute to pay attention. Jackass.

[The Johnny]

i just think that armchair sociology can lead to discrimination, typification and scapegoating, and we can even see it in this same thread

But then, without Mom and Dad's house, where would the poor millennials live, and whose internet would they use to write blogs about how they're not lazy, they're oppressed?

which boils down to "X groupality are entitled and lazy" which makes echo of the Times cover... in the world of social representations, the easier route for interpretation at one's convenience is "X groupality is, lazy, stupid or evil"

can "laziness" even be measured in a sociological manner?

Wow, I think you totally missed my point in a most spectacular way.

My point---> Everybody's fucked, and the only people who potentially have the ability to do something about it are the young.

fair enough

[The Johnny]

I was, however, making fun of that blogger for getting CLOSE but then completely missing the boat. "Lazy" was HIS word, if you fucking take a minute to pay attention. Jackass.

to me it was confusing and still kind of is as if to read those two posts as either a continuity or independent 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

THIS.

http://www.mattbors.com/blog/2013/05/09/millenials-arent-lazy-theyre-fucked/

Balls.  Absolute fucking rubbish.  The whole Goddamn world is fucked.  Difference is, Mommy and Daddy ARE out working minimum fucking wage - as the author notes - but little Dakota and Trevor aren't about to do that, when they can live off of mommy & daddy, as either perpetual students or just plain old sucking up resources in the basement.

Tucson is more or less full of "millenials".  We call them "drones".  Once they learned that the world isn't going to pat them on the head and give them a Wii for being so SPECIAL, they hunkered down, with the MOST AMBITIOUS of them aspiring to working in a call center until such time as the universe remembers to give them their free lunch.  50% of them, while waiting, will quote Ayn Rand at you while they do so.

Maybe 1 in 10 go for an ACTUAL DEGREE (the ones able to afford it or willing to take on huge student loans), meaning "a degree that they can use to further themselves and create a future for themselves".  The rest are majoring in things you'd expect the idle rich to major in; things that do not have a practical application of any kind.  Another 1 in 10 will flee to the military, to avoid becoming some food tube attached, remorrah-like, to their parents' asses.  The other 8 in 10 will happily wait for the universe to walk up with their PRIZE.

That's Tucson.  Don't know about everywhere else. 

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My question is, who does that blogger think he's appealing to? What is that essay supposed to accomplish? Is it just basically meant to get a bunch of equally struggling people his own age to nod and sigh and feel helpless? Is it supposed to signal to older readers that hey, we youngsters have no hope either so don't hold it against us if we're in the boat with you? Or was it supposed to stimulate outrage at the upper class who are shitting all over all of us and laughing about it?

Is someone supposed to take action? What kind of action?

It just sort of came across as "feel sorry for me, my future is fucked".

But we're all fucked.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My question is, who does that blogger think he's appealing to? What is that essay supposed to accomplish? Is it just basically meant to get a bunch of equally struggling people his own age to nod and sigh and feel helpless? Is it supposed to signal to older readers that hey, we youngsters have no hope either so don't hold it against us if we're in the boat with you? Or was it supposed to stimulate outrage at the upper class who are shitting all over all of us and laughing about it?

Is someone supposed to take action? What kind of action?

It just sort of came across as "feel sorry for me, my future is fucked".

But we're all fucked.

I'd be more sympathetic to a "save a millenial, hang a banker" argument.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

THIS.

http://www.mattbors.com/blog/2013/05/09/millenials-arent-lazy-theyre-fucked/

Balls.  Absolute fucking rubbish.  The whole Goddamn world is fucked.  Difference is, Mommy and Daddy ARE out working minimum fucking wage - as the author notes - but little Dakota and Trevor aren't about to do that, when they can live off of mommy & daddy, as either perpetual students or just plain old sucking up resources in the basement.

Tucson is more or less full of "millenials".  We call them "drones".  Once they learned that the world isn't going to pat them on the head and give them a Wii for being so SPECIAL, they hunkered down, with the MOST AMBITIOUS of them aspiring to working in a call center until such time as the universe remembers to give them their free lunch.  50% of them, while waiting, will quote Ayn Rand at you while they do so.

Maybe 1 in 10 go for an ACTUAL DEGREE (the ones able to afford it or willing to take on huge student loans), meaning "a degree that they can use to further themselves and create a future for themselves".  The rest are majoring in things you'd expect the idle rich to major in; things that do not have a practical application of any kind.  Another 1 in 10 will flee to the military, to avoid becoming some food tube attached, remorrah-like, to their parents' asses.  The other 8 in 10 will happily wait for the universe to walk up with their PRIZE.

That's Tucson.  Don't know about everywhere else.

Ditto for Portland, except add in the "living in a house with 15 other hippies, making a living at the streetcorner circus".

Which is, compared to some options, downright respectable these days.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My question is, who does that blogger think he's appealing to? What is that essay supposed to accomplish? Is it just basically meant to get a bunch of equally struggling people his own age to nod and sigh and feel helpless? Is it supposed to signal to older readers that hey, we youngsters have no hope either so don't hold it against us if we're in the boat with you? Or was it supposed to stimulate outrage at the upper class who are shitting all over all of us and laughing about it?

Is someone supposed to take action? What kind of action?

It just sort of came across as "feel sorry for me, my future is fucked".

But we're all fucked.

I'd be more sympathetic to a "save a millenial, hang a banker" argument.

LIKEWISE.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Ditto for Portland, except add in the "living in a house with 15 other hippies, making a living at the streetcorner circus".

Which is, compared to some options, downright respectable these days.

I would worry more for the future, but I also remember the hippies all turning into yuppies, after wasting a similar amount of time.

So a few - perhaps enough - will pull their head out.  The rest will make excuses.  I mean, it certainly isn't THEIR fault (which was the point of the whole article).

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Ditto for Portland, except add in the "living in a house with 15 other hippies, making a living at the streetcorner circus".

Which is, compared to some options, downright respectable these days.

I would worry more for the future, but I also remember the hippies all turning into yuppies, after wasting a similar amount of time.

So a few - perhaps enough - will pull their head out.  The rest will make excuses.  I mean, it certainly isn't THEIR fault (which was the point of the whole article).

Yeah, kind of what I got from it was that since it isn't their fault, someone else should fix it.

Ain't gonna happen. I mean, that would be nice and everything, but LOL.

Like I said, the people who have the power don't WANT to fix it, and the older generation who DOES want to fix it is too busy working two minimum-wage jobs to try to keep the roof over their heads and make meals so we don't all end up starving on the street.

SRSLY GUYS, YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE. HELP.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Ditto for Portland, except add in the "living in a house with 15 other hippies, making a living at the streetcorner circus".

Which is, compared to some options, downright respectable these days.

I would worry more for the future, but I also remember the hippies all turning into yuppies, after wasting a similar amount of time.

So a few - perhaps enough - will pull their head out.  The rest will make excuses.  I mean, it certainly isn't THEIR fault (which was the point of the whole article).

Yeah, kind of what I got from it was that since it isn't their fault, someone else should fix it.

Ain't gonna happen. I mean, that would be nice and everything, but LOL.

Like I said, the people who have the power don't WANT to fix it, and the older generation who DOES want to fix it is too busy working two minimum-wage jobs to try to keep the roof over their heads and make meals so we don't all end up starving on the street.

SRSLY GUYS, YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE. HELP.

Um.

You're just a bunch of old people wishing you'd be young again. YOLO, bitchez!

Don't hold your breath.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Ditto for Portland, except add in the "living in a house with 15 other hippies, making a living at the streetcorner circus".

Which is, compared to some options, downright respectable these days.

I would worry more for the future, but I also remember the hippies all turning into yuppies, after wasting a similar amount of time.

So a few - perhaps enough - will pull their head out.  The rest will make excuses.  I mean, it certainly isn't THEIR fault (which was the point of the whole article).

Yeah, kind of what I got from it was that since it isn't their fault, someone else should fix it.

Ain't gonna happen. I mean, that would be nice and everything, but LOL.

Like I said, the people who have the power don't WANT to fix it, and the older generation who DOES want to fix it is too busy working two minimum-wage jobs to try to keep the roof over their heads and make meals so we don't all end up starving on the street.

SRSLY GUYS, YOU'RE OUR ONLY HOPE. HELP.

Um.

You're just a bunch of old people wishing you'd be young again. YOLO, bitchez!

Don't hold your breath.

I'd like to think that's the exception, and not the rule.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'd like to think that's the exception, and not the rule.

I think it is.  But I'm not taking any chances.

[The Johnny]

Im sure Occupy will make a breakthrough any day now 

(id reccomend reading about Mexico's "YoSoy132" movement, they recently celebrated their first year of existance and activism  ) (lest we forget how some of the prominent figures of the movement sold out to major broadcaster Televisa and now have their personal show)