Boy Legos and Girl Legos

[AFK]

not everyone has the time or the energy or health for that. you are sitting in your nice little middle class bubble and prescribing shit that doesn't always exist in reality

It can, if we do a better job of empowering single parents.  I've run parenting classes, attended by many single parents.  And it is amazing the changes you can see just by empowering them.  In this case, it really can be as simple as telling the adults watching your kids, "I don't want them watching X.  I don't want them playing with Y."   Just set some ground rules at the beginning. 

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

To get the kids who weren't buying and playing with Legos to buy and play with Legos.  The same reason any brand expands product lines.  To win more customers.

did you even listen to the NPR bit or the videos or other links i provided?

Lego was gender neutral in the 80's! 

[AFK]

No shit, I grew up in the 80s.  What does that have to do with wanting to expand their customer base?

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

what i am saying is that the toy market is becoming more and more gendered, and this is ultimately not a positive trend.

What is your take on banning adverts targeted at kids under 12 like in Sweden? in the video on marketing and learning gender I linked, the average american kid sees 25,000 toy adverts many of which are heavily enforcing gender roles.

I think it's a great idea. along with listing toys by the type of play rather than gender, Fast food would be less pestered for, kids of parents who haven't the time/aren't as media savvy or have health issues that make it harder wouldn't be disadvantaged over those parents that have the resources to explain and not limit their kids to outside pressure.

after all, if we are to make a positive shift towards actual equality and way from separate but equal, isn't childhood the best place to start?

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

ALSO YOU FUCKS NEED TO STOP PLURALISING LEGO.

LEGO, not LEGOS

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

No shit, I grew up in the 80s.  What does that have to do with wanting to expand their customer base?

If they hadn't alienated part of their client base in the first place, they wouldn't have had to expand it. :P

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

No shit, I grew up in the 80s.  What does that have to do with wanting to expand their customer base?

If they hadn't alienated part of their client base in the first place, they wouldn't have had to expand it. :P

THIS.

That is where the marketing fucked up.

[Pergamos]

So the conversation I just had was kind of bizarre to me.  For me it went like this.

People that aren't me (that include Pixie): According to society girls acting like boys is ok but boys acting like girls isn't ok, and that is fucked up
Me: If I had a son who played with girl toys I'd start getting ready to protect him from society's bullshit
Pixie: But not a daughter who plays with boy toys?  You are sexist.  Oh, and acting in ways that defy gender norms is no sign that someone is likely to act in ways that define gender norms.

I'm assuming I either misunderstood somewhere along the way or else I didn't communicate clearly, because the conversation that I just summarized made very very little sense to me, and it was how it read to me.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

I have to admit I pluralize Lego just to be irritating to the Lego fanatics I know. :P

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

So the conversation I just had was kind of bizarre to me.  For me it went like this.

People that aren't me (that include Pixie): According to society girls acting like boys is ok but boys acting like girls isn't ok, and that is fucked up
Me: If I had a son who played with girl toys I'd start getting ready to protect him from society's bullshit
Pixie: But not a daughter who plays with boy toys?  You are sexist.  Oh, and acting in ways that defy gender norms is no sign that someone is likely to act in ways that define gender norms.

I'm assuming I either misunderstood somewhere along the way or else I didn't communicate clearly, because the conversation that I just summarized made very very little sense to me, and it was how it read to me.

it was the assumption that you could tell if a kid had gender identity that didn't match up to the contents of the kids pance because of the toys they preferred, or that there is this checklist for OMG 100% sure kid is trans or not hetero, and that you'd seemingly panic harder if it was a boy.

it might just be that (like me) that they were cisgendered and didn't give a shit about what they were supposed to like based on the contents of their pance.

it seemed to me

gender identity is self defined, and just because they dont stick to defined gender roles doesn't = kid being LGBT

[Pergamos]

So the conversation I just had was kind of bizarre to me.  For me it went like this.

People that aren't me (that include Pixie): According to society girls acting like boys is ok but boys acting like girls isn't ok, and that is fucked up
Me: If I had a son who played with girl toys I'd start getting ready to protect him from society's bullshit
Pixie: But not a daughter who plays with boy toys?  You are sexist.  Oh, and acting in ways that defy gender norms is no sign that someone is likely to act in ways that define gender norms.

I'm assuming I either misunderstood somewhere along the way or else I didn't communicate clearly, because the conversation that I just summarized made very very little sense to me, and it was how it read to me.

it was the assumption that you could tell if a kid had gender identity that didn't match up to the contents of the kids pance because of the toys they preferred, or that there is this checklist for OMG 100% sure kid is trans or not hetero, and that you'd seemingly panic harder if it was a boy.

it might just be that (like me) that they were cisgendered and didn't give a shit about what they were supposed to like based on the contents of their pance.

it seemed to me

gender identity is self defined, and just because they dont stick to defined gender roles doesn't = kid being LGBT

I guess it was that you were ascribing absolutes to me, when I didn't mean anything absolute at all.  I would panic harder if it were a boy because, as has been pointed out, boys who act like girls have a much harder time than girls who act like boys. 

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

So the conversation I just had was kind of bizarre to me.  For me it went like this.

People that aren't me (that include Pixie): According to society girls acting like boys is ok but boys acting like girls isn't ok, and that is fucked up
Me: If I had a son who played with girl toys I'd start getting ready to protect him from society's bullshit
Pixie: But not a daughter who plays with boy toys?  You are sexist.  Oh, and acting in ways that defy gender norms is no sign that someone is likely to act in ways that define gender norms.

I'm assuming I either misunderstood somewhere along the way or else I didn't communicate clearly, because the conversation that I just summarized made very very little sense to me, and it was how it read to me.

Hmm. That's okay. I think initially you came across as sounding like kids who play with opposite gender toys obviously have issues and need to be watched. But you clarified your point, so I understand what you were saying now.

I don't think kids doing something that defies gender norms equals adults that will defy gender norms. But I don't think there should be gender norms in the first place simply because of the negative connotation stereotypical girl 'norms' have.

Girls are weak and stupid and only like pink and if a boy comes within range of girlie stuff then he is weak and stupid and might as well be wearing a pink dress because clearly he's queer. And a girl will never get a good job or a husband acting boyish. She'll grow up to be a lonely dyke. Her proper place is in the cafe or decorating her house or primping her pets while the boys fight pirates and fires and aliens.

[Left]

So the conversation I just had was kind of bizarre to me.  For me it went like this.

People that aren't me (that include Pixie): According to society girls acting like boys is ok but boys acting like girls isn't ok, and that is fucked up
Me: If I had a son who played with girl toys I'd start getting ready to protect him from society's bullshit
Pixie: But not a daughter who plays with boy toys?  You are sexist.  Oh, and acting in ways that defy gender norms is no sign that someone is likely to act in ways that define gender norms.

I'm assuming I either misunderstood somewhere along the way or else I didn't communicate clearly, because the conversation that I just summarized made very very little sense to me, and it was how it read to me.

Hmm. That's okay. I think initially you came across as sounding like kids who play with opposite gender toys obviously have issues and need to be watched. But you clarified your point, so I understand what you were saying now.

I don't think kids doing something that defies gender norms equals adults that will defy gender norms. But I don't think there should be gender norms in the first place simply because of the negative connotation stereotypical girl 'norms' have.

Girls are weak and stupid and only like pink and if a boy comes within range of girlie stuff then he is weak and stupid and might as well be wearing a pink dress because clearly he's queer. And a girl will never get a good job or a husband acting boyish. She'll grow up to be a lonely dyke. Her proper place is in the cafe or decorating her house or primping her pets while the boys fight pirates and fires and aliens.

Hey, how about the one that says men can't cry, can't be sad or hurt, can't be anything considered "girly" and cannot at all costs be "weak?"
...Female people do tend to get away with gender-blurring a LOT easier than guys.
...Either way, people are limited and hurt by these things.

[Trivial]

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

not everyone has the time or the energy or health for that. you are sitting in your nice little middle class bubble and prescribing shit that doesn't always exist in reality

It can, if we do a better job of empowering single parents.  I've run parenting classes, attended by many single parents.  And it is amazing the changes you can see just by empowering them.  In this case, it really can be as simple as telling the adults watching your kids, "I don't want them watching X.  I don't want them playing with Y."   Just set some ground rules at the beginning.

RWHN thinks single parents are incapable of asserting what they don't want their kids doing and he needs to "EMPOWER" them.