Oh well. *Personal Shit*

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The really, really stupid thing about all of this is how good I am to her. We have an open marriage, and I have no jealousy issues, she is free in every conceivable way. She does nothing but what she wants. She wakes my ass up at 5am (once) after playing bike polo and partying, and gets upset when I am a mental ruin because of it.

I constantly try to motivate and encourage her. I make an effort to.make her feel good about her self and her body. Clearly this has all been a mistake. Its just how I am in a relationship. I am constantly available to her.

OPEN MARRIAGE?!?!?!! Fuck her dude! You deserve better!

That all depends on if Alty would be happy with an open arrangement if she wasn't being abusive. Your values aren't his, dude.

And to be honest, I'd not really take your advice in a situation like this, seeing as your advice was to turn abusive behaviour back on someone. I do however, hope that seeing this thread motivates you to get therapy for your own behaviour. I'm not trying to shame you, Bear, and admitting you have a problem is the first step to sorting shit out, but it's just the first step.

I'm in a open marriage as well, but the wife is not interested in other women and men. Both our wives have total freedom. Even after that Alty's wife is still crapping on him. Hence my outrage about his wife. Alty is god damn angel for putting up with this.

Wait, so do you have a wife and a girlfriend who don't touch each other, or do you have an FFM triad? Sentence 1 and 2 contradict somewhat.

Either way, I kinda see where you are coming from, but from what I know of poly relationships, when one bond is failing, that bond demands immediate attention.

(under United States law you can't have two wives, however, it is possible for your wife to have a wife and a husband, due to Texas not respecting homosexual marriage from other states, as of, at least, a couple of years ago. I actually used that as a non-biased argument in favor of recognizing same sex marriage across the board in a politics class and got an A. People forget that bisexuals exist.)

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The really, really stupid thing about all of this is how good I am to her. We have an open marriage, and I have no jealousy issues, she is free in every conceivable way. She does nothing but what she wants. She wakes my ass up at 5am (once) after playing bike polo and partying, and gets upset when I am a mental ruin because of it.

I constantly try to motivate and encourage her. I make an effort to.make her feel good about her self and her body. Clearly this has all been a mistake. Its just how I am in a relationship. I am constantly available to her.

OPEN MARRIAGE?!?!?!! Fuck her dude! You deserve better!

That all depends on if Alty would be happy with an open arrangement if she wasn't being abusive. Your values aren't his, dude.

And to be honest, I'd not really take your advice in a situation like this, seeing as your advice was to turn abusive behaviour back on someone. I do however, hope that seeing this thread motivates you to get therapy for your own behaviour. I'm not trying to shame you, Bear, and admitting you have a problem is the first step to sorting shit out, but it's just the first step.

When the wife feels trapped like a caged animal, and she tells me this I'll go get help. She told me you've almost done with these random fits of rage. She's not scared, or threatened so just reminds me you're acting like a jackass again to stop me from being that asshole again.

Well, here's my thought on that (and Alty, if you feel necessary, I'm cool with thread split), you shouldn't do it because your wife(wives?) feel caged, but rather because you recognize a flaw in yourself. You should work on your flaws for your own sake, with the sake of your partners as further incentive. She(they) may also not be yet at the point to say something, as also evidenced by Alty waiting this long.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

You should do it out of consideration for Jewcat too, but if you know that it's a problem, you should take the initiative even if Jewcat hasn't said anything.

[Ben Shapiro]

The really, really stupid thing about all of this is how good I am to her. We have an open marriage, and I have no jealousy issues, she is free in every conceivable way. She does nothing but what she wants. She wakes my ass up at 5am (once) after playing bike polo and partying, and gets upset when I am a mental ruin because of it.

I constantly try to motivate and encourage her. I make an effort to.make her feel good about her self and her body. Clearly this has all been a mistake. Its just how I am in a relationship. I am constantly available to her.

OPEN MARRIAGE?!?!?!! Fuck her dude! You deserve better!

That all depends on if Alty would be happy with an open arrangement if she wasn't being abusive. Your values aren't his, dude.

And to be honest, I'd not really take your advice in a situation like this, seeing as your advice was to turn abusive behaviour back on someone. I do however, hope that seeing this thread motivates you to get therapy for your own behaviour. I'm not trying to shame you, Bear, and admitting you have a problem is the first step to sorting shit out, but it's just the first step.

I'm in a open marriage as well, but the wife is not interested in other women and men. Both our wives have total freedom. Even after that Alty's wife is still crapping on him. Hence my outrage about his wife. Alty is god damn angel for putting up with this.

Wait, so do you have a wife and a girlfriend who don't touch each other, or do you have an FFM triad? Sentence 1 and 2 contradict somewhat.

Either way, I kinda see where you are coming from, but from what I know of poly relationships, when one bond is failing, that bond demands immediate attention.

(under United States law you can't have two wives, however, it is possible for your wife to have a wife and a husband, due to Texas not respecting homosexual marriage from other states, as of, at least, a couple of years ago. I actually used that as a non-biased argument in favor of recognizing same sex marriage across the board in a politics class and got an A. People forget that bisexuals exist.)

Both in open marriage. I'm not interested in other women period. My wives not interested in other men, but sometimes I feel she may want a girlfriend whenever I'm not in the mood. So far shes only interested in me. But if she ever went out with a girlfriend I wouldn't be insecure, or jealous of her having smexy times.

To clear up any confusion.
Bear was once going through what Alty's wife is going through now. Except I wasn't violent, and we solved our issues without counseling, or doing a separation thing. I'm just trying to share Jewcat techniques that worked on Bear. But Alty's wife needs something more serious based on what he's shared on here and what he's shared to me.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The really, really stupid thing about all of this is how good I am to her. We have an open marriage, and I have no jealousy issues, she is free in every conceivable way. She does nothing but what she wants. She wakes my ass up at 5am (once) after playing bike polo and partying, and gets upset when I am a mental ruin because of it.

I constantly try to motivate and encourage her. I make an effort to.make her feel good about her self and her body. Clearly this has all been a mistake. Its just how I am in a relationship. I am constantly available to her.

OPEN MARRIAGE?!?!?!! Fuck her dude! You deserve better!

That all depends on if Alty would be happy with an open arrangement if she wasn't being abusive. Your values aren't his, dude.

And to be honest, I'd not really take your advice in a situation like this, seeing as your advice was to turn abusive behaviour back on someone. I do however, hope that seeing this thread motivates you to get therapy for your own behaviour. I'm not trying to shame you, Bear, and admitting you have a problem is the first step to sorting shit out, but it's just the first step.

I'm in a open marriage as well, but the wife is not interested in other women and men. Both our wives have total freedom. Even after that Alty's wife is still crapping on him. Hence my outrage about his wife. Alty is god damn angel for putting up with this.

Wait, so do you have a wife and a girlfriend who don't touch each other, or do you have an FFM triad? Sentence 1 and 2 contradict somewhat.

Either way, I kinda see where you are coming from, but from what I know of poly relationships, when one bond is failing, that bond demands immediate attention.

(under United States law you can't have two wives, however, it is possible for your wife to have a wife and a husband, due to Texas not respecting homosexual marriage from other states, as of, at least, a couple of years ago. I actually used that as a non-biased argument in favor of recognizing same sex marriage across the board in a politics class and got an A. People forget that bisexuals exist.)

Both in open marriage. I'm not interested in other women period. My wives not interested in other men, but sometimes I feel she may want a girlfriend whenever I'm not in the mood. So far shes only interested in me. But if she ever went out with a girlfriend I wouldn't be insecure, or jealous of her having smexy times.

To clear up any confusion.
Bear was once going through what Alty's wife is going through now. Except I wasn't violent, and we solved our issues without counseling, or doing a separation thing. I'm just trying to share Jewcat techniques that worked on Bear. But Alty's wife needs something more serious based on what he's shared on here and what he's shared to me.

Ah, gotcha. Not to be a stickler for grammar, but you mean wife's and not wives.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Hence my confusion.

ETA: OHHHHH... and the other part of that is "Both our (mine and Alty's) wives." That one should have been a little more obvious to me.

[Ben Shapiro]

The really, really stupid thing about all of this is how good I am to her. We have an open marriage, and I have no jealousy issues, she is free in every conceivable way. She does nothing but what she wants. She wakes my ass up at 5am (once) after playing bike polo and partying, and gets upset when I am a mental ruin because of it.

I constantly try to motivate and encourage her. I make an effort to.make her feel good about her self and her body. Clearly this has all been a mistake. Its just how I am in a relationship. I am constantly available to her.

OPEN MARRIAGE?!?!?!! Fuck her dude! You deserve better!

That all depends on if Alty would be happy with an open arrangement if she wasn't being abusive. Your values aren't his, dude.

And to be honest, I'd not really take your advice in a situation like this, seeing as your advice was to turn abusive behaviour back on someone. I do however, hope that seeing this thread motivates you to get therapy for your own behaviour. I'm not trying to shame you, Bear, and admitting you have a problem is the first step to sorting shit out, but it's just the first step.

I'm in a open marriage as well, but the wife is not interested in other women and men. Both our wives have total freedom. Even after that Alty's wife is still crapping on him. Hence my outrage about his wife. Alty is god damn angel for putting up with this.

Wait, so do you have a wife and a girlfriend who don't touch each other, or do you have an FFM triad? Sentence 1 and 2 contradict somewhat.

Either way, I kinda see where you are coming from, but from what I know of poly relationships, when one bond is failing, that bond demands immediate attention.

(under United States law you can't have two wives, however, it is possible for your wife to have a wife and a husband, due to Texas not respecting homosexual marriage from other states, as of, at least, a couple of years ago. I actually used that as a non-biased argument in favor of recognizing same sex marriage across the board in a politics class and got an A. People forget that bisexuals exist.)

Both in open marriage. I'm not interested in other women period. My wives not interested in other men, but sometimes I feel she may want a girlfriend whenever I'm not in the mood. So far shes only interested in me. But if she ever went out with a girlfriend I wouldn't be insecure, or jealous of her having smexy times.

To clear up any confusion.
Bear was once going through what Alty's wife is going through now. Except I wasn't violent, and we solved our issues without counseling, or doing a separation thing. I'm just trying to share Jewcat techniques that worked on Bear. But Alty's wife needs something more serious based on what he's shared on here and what he's shared to me.

Ah, gotcha. Not to be a stickler for grammar, but you mean wife's and not wives.

For future reference to anyone else. English is my second language.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

The really, really stupid thing about all of this is how good I am to her. We have an open marriage, and I have no jealousy issues, she is free in every conceivable way. She does nothing but what she wants. She wakes my ass up at 5am (once) after playing bike polo and partying, and gets upset when I am a mental ruin because of it.

I constantly try to motivate and encourage her. I make an effort to.make her feel good about her self and her body. Clearly this has all been a mistake. Its just how I am in a relationship. I am constantly available to her.

OPEN MARRIAGE?!?!?!! Fuck her dude! You deserve better!

That all depends on if Alty would be happy with an open arrangement if she wasn't being abusive. Your values aren't his, dude.

And to be honest, I'd not really take your advice in a situation like this, seeing as your advice was to turn abusive behaviour back on someone. I do however, hope that seeing this thread motivates you to get therapy for your own behaviour. I'm not trying to shame you, Bear, and admitting you have a problem is the first step to sorting shit out, but it's just the first step.

I'm in a open marriage as well, but the wife is not interested in other women and men. Both our wives have total freedom. Even after that Alty's wife is still crapping on him. Hence my outrage about his wife. Alty is god damn angel for putting up with this.

Wait, so do you have a wife and a girlfriend who don't touch each other, or do you have an FFM triad? Sentence 1 and 2 contradict somewhat.

Either way, I kinda see where you are coming from, but from what I know of poly relationships, when one bond is failing, that bond demands immediate attention.

(under United States law you can't have two wives, however, it is possible for your wife to have a wife and a husband, due to Texas not respecting homosexual marriage from other states, as of, at least, a couple of years ago. I actually used that as a non-biased argument in favor of recognizing same sex marriage across the board in a politics class and got an A. People forget that bisexuals exist.)

Both in open marriage. I'm not interested in other women period. My wives not interested in other men, but sometimes I feel she may want a girlfriend whenever I'm not in the mood. So far shes only interested in me. But if she ever went out with a girlfriend I wouldn't be insecure, or jealous of her having smexy times.

To clear up any confusion.
Bear was once going through what Alty's wife is going through now. Except I wasn't violent, and we solved our issues without counseling, or doing a separation thing. I'm just trying to share Jewcat techniques that worked on Bear. But Alty's wife needs something more serious based on what he's shared on here and what he's shared to me.

Ah, gotcha. Not to be a stickler for grammar, but you mean wife's and not wives.

For future reference to anyone else. English is my second language.

Thought did not occur to me until just now reading this. I know you're of Mexican extraction, but I consider you Texan. Which still doesn't mean that English is your first language.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

English is my first language, and the original mistake was mine.

Twid,
Even native English speakers fuck it up

[Salty]

Sharing this has helped, but damn if I don't feel lonely. More so, probably, because it's my birthday.

Definitely the worst. Worse than the time my mom promised me a trip to Hawaii and with no explanation just gave me a lava lamp.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

With all due respect, this is not the "jump on Bear about getting counseling just because he is willing to admit that he is working on behavioral issues that affected his marriage similarly and has tips that might help Alty" thread.

Seriously, there, particularly Pixie, you need to dial that shit back a notch or two.

[Ben Shapiro]

Sharing this has helped, but damn if I don't feel lonely. More so, probably, because it's my birthday.

Definitely the worst. Worse than the time my mom promised me a trip to Hawaii and with no explanation just gave me a lava lamp.

Want to talk on skype?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sharing this has helped, but damn if I don't feel lonely. More so, probably, because it's my birthday.

Definitely the worst. Worse than the time my mom promised me a trip to Hawaii and with no explanation just gave me a lava lamp.

I wish I could come take you out on the town and make it better for an evening.

[Salty]

My sister is coming to get me for dinner. All I wanted to do today was dance, that's it. Maybe I should just go do that still.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Sharing this has helped, but damn if I don't feel lonely. More so, probably, because it's my birthday.

Definitely the worst. Worse than the time my mom promised me a trip to Hawaii and with no explanation just gave me a lava lamp.

I literally just closed my eyes for a full second after reading that.

If Anchorage and Boston were bordering each other, I'd have left work early and spirited you off somewhere fun by now. I'm sorry that we can't physically be there. I would be if I could.