Thread is now about Holist.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

And that's where the "only in it for the money and not the love of music" claim falls apart. People go into dentistry or get an MBA for the paycheck. They don't spend ten or twenty or thirty years practicing diligently for hours every day to learn to be skilled at something difficult that almost nobody ever actually gets paid for, on the off chance that they'll make it big. That may be part of the dream -- hell, I always dreamed of someday making beads for a living, and people thought I was crazy, they actually laughed at me -- but it's ridiculous to imagine it's the primary motivator.

I think the primary motivator is the spotlight¹ and the ability to be heard. 




¹ Except for drummers who are born, live, and die in the back, in the dark.  Like Morlocks.

I know a lot of musicians. A lot, a lot of musicians. And while many of them love the spotlight, people who are motivated by attention become speakers or activists or politicians or comedians. Musicians become musicians because they love music. Nobody spends years and years and years practicing in the basement if they are motivated by the spotlight, because there's no reinforcement.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

And that's where the "only in it for the money and not the love of music" claim falls apart. People go into dentistry or get an MBA for the paycheck. They don't spend ten or twenty or thirty years practicing diligently for hours every day to learn to be skilled at something difficult that almost nobody ever actually gets paid for, on the off chance that they'll make it big. That may be part of the dream -- hell, I always dreamed of someday making beads for a living, and people thought I was crazy, they actually laughed at me -- but it's ridiculous to imagine it's the primary motivator.

I think the primary motivator is the spotlight¹ and the ability to be heard. 




¹ Except for drummers who are born, live, and die in the back, in the dark.  Like Morlocks.

I know a lot of musicians. A lot, a lot of musicians. And while many of them love the spotlight, people who are motivated by attention become speakers or activists or politicians or comedians. Musicians become musicians because they love music. Nobody spends years and years and years practicing in the basement if they are motivated by the spotlight, because there's no reinforcement.

An excellent point.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also: LOLZ, resident bop bag thinks that Madonna is "evenly matched" vocally with a woman who has a four or five octave range.

WOW, did he actually say that? That's amazing! Madonna didn't even learn to sing properly until the 90's, and after that, while her voice was much stronger, she still lacks the strength and range of Cyndi Lauper.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What part was inaccurate?   

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Also: LOLZ, resident bop bag thinks that Madonna is "evenly matched" vocally with a woman who has a four or five octave range.

WOW, did he actually say that? That's amazing! Madonna didn't even learn to sing properly until the 90's, and after that, while her voice was much stronger, she still lacks the strength and range of Cyndi Lauper.

Also, Madonna has a pretty good voice.  Don't get me wrong, Cindi Lauper is amazing as well, but vocally, I think they were pretty evenly matched.

[LMNO]

What part was inaccurate?   

ME COUNT FOUR.  ONE, TWO, MANY, LOTS.
          /

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also: LOLZ, resident bop bag thinks that Madonna is "evenly matched" vocally with a woman who has a four or five octave range.

WOW, did he actually say that? That's amazing! Madonna didn't even learn to sing properly until the 90's, and after that, while her voice was much stronger, she still lacks the strength and range of Cyndi Lauper.

Also, Madonna has a pretty good voice.  Don't get me wrong, Cindi Lauper is amazing as well, but vocally, I think they were pretty evenly matched.

OK, this guy knows zero about vocals and has wooden ears.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

What part was inaccurate?   

ME COUNT FOUR.  ONE, TWO, MANY, LOTS.
          /

Yes.

Thinking about it rationally, you are in The Club, as described in the first rant.   

[LMNO]

 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

"And what do you do, sir?"

"I hit things with sticks.  Repeatedly."

"Oh, erm, well thank you for..."

"They make me sit in the back, you know."

"Yes, well, we're out of time and..."

"They never turn the lights on.  I have moss on my eyelids."

"Yes, well..."

"I hear the crowd, but I can never see them."

"We have to take a commercial break now, and..."

"I JUST WANT TO SEE THE SUN!"

etc.

[LMNO]

Well, my monitor needed washing, anyway.



LMNO
-glad it wasn't coffee.

[East Coast Hustle]

Well not quite. I must be expressing myself particularly ineptly, and I apologise. There are plenty of examples of inauthentic musicians remaining popular in the long term (Fleetwood Mac, anyone? Kenny G is in fact still playing large gigs!)

Fleetwood Mac is/was inauthentic?

I knew I was going to step on someone's toes shortly

Right now I would say they were great to begin with but went on far too long and produced some amazingly pretentious stuff... but I am open to being persuaded that I'm wrong about them. Show me some late period greatness, please!

Regardless of the rest of this increasingly idiotic thread, this is spot-on. Fleetwood Mac was, for the most part, utterly fucking awful.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Well not quite. I must be expressing myself particularly ineptly, and I apologise. There are plenty of examples of inauthentic musicians remaining popular in the long term (Fleetwood Mac, anyone? Kenny G is in fact still playing large gigs!)

Fleetwood Mac is/was inauthentic?

I knew I was going to step on someone's toes shortly

Right now I would say they were great to begin with but went on far too long and produced some amazingly pretentious stuff... but I am open to being persuaded that I'm wrong about them. Show me some late period greatness, please!

Regardless of the rest of this increasingly idiotic thread, this is spot-on. Fleetwood Mac was, for the most part, utterly fucking awful.

I would say for the ALL part.  Tell Me Lies makes me want to throw kittens off the overpass.

But that's pretty damn subjective.

[P3nT4gR4m]

A couple of their tunes were okay(ish) but my "infinite number of Beatles songs" theory kinda covers that

[The Good Reverend Roger]

A couple of their tunes were okay(ish) but my "infinite number of Beatles songs" theory kinda covers that

Missed that theory.