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[East Coast Hustle]

For me, subjectively, the word authentic does have an application in this context. I consider music to be authentic if the musicians' only or primary motivation is that they enjoy making it more than anything else they could be doing instead.

So, if they are doing it because it makes money, it can't be authentic?

Can you give me an example of authenticity?

Moonsorrow

Are you fucking kidding me? I love Moonsorrow, but boy do they enjoy their moneys.
According to your definitions,they're not artists.

According to my actual definitions (as opposed to the strawman TGRR created) they are. 


For chrissakes they released an album that was two, 30-minute long songs.  Even by metal standards that is insane and not exactly lending itself to mass consumption.

Yeah, god knows other popular niche metal bands have never done anything like that. For example, Wolves in the Throne Room or Sunn O))) would NEVER have done anything like that. The music you like is just SO ORIGINAL and that makes you SO SPECIAL AND DIFFERENT. Maybe it's not the authenticity of the musicians you like that you're really worried about. Maybe it's your own authenticity you're seeking to bolster.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Speaking just for myself here, if I had to listen to a 30 minute song, I'd go fucking mental.  If I had to listen to TWO, I'd be up a fucking watertower.

It's as bad as those UNENDING guitar solos in the 80s.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Also, "not lending to mass consumption" is a virtue...How, exactly?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, "not lending to mass consumption" is a virtue...How, exactly?

Special Snowflakism.

[EK WAFFLR]

For me, subjectively, the word authentic does have an application in this context. I consider music to be authentic if the musicians' only or primary motivation is that they enjoy making it more than anything else they could be doing instead.

So, if they are doing it because it makes money, it can't be authentic?

Can you give me an example of authenticity?

Moonsorrow

Are you fucking kidding me? I love Moonsorrow, but boy do they enjoy their moneys.
According to your definitions,they're not artists.

According to my actual definitions (as opposed to the strawman TGRR created) they are. 


For chrissakes they released an album that was two, 30-minute long songs.  Even by metal standards that is insane and not exactly lending itself to mass consumption.

RWHN proves he's a gazillion years old. Releasing 30 minute songs hasn't been controversial, or even detrimental to sales in extreme metal since perhaps '94.

Also, quick question, old fart. Children of Bodom, artists Y/N?

[Cain]

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[LMNO]

In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida.  1968.  And, what?

[AFK]

For me, subjectively, the word authentic does have an application in this context. I consider music to be authentic if the musicians' only or primary motivation is that they enjoy making it more than anything else they could be doing instead.

So, if they are doing it because it makes money, it can't be authentic?

Can you give me an example of authenticity?

Moonsorrow

Are you fucking kidding me? I love Moonsorrow, but boy do they enjoy their moneys.
According to your definitions,they're not artists.

According to my actual definitions (as opposed to the strawman TGRR created) they are. 


For chrissakes they released an album that was two, 30-minute long songs.  Even by metal standards that is insane and not exactly lending itself to mass consumption.

RWHN proves he's a gazillion years old. Releasing 30 minute songs hasn't been controversial, or even detrimental to sales in extreme metal since perhaps '94.

Also, quick question, old fart. Children of Bodom, artists Y/N?

Sure, though I personally find them rather dull and boring.

[East Coast Hustle]

Luckily for all of us, the purposes of this thread do not require anyone to give a shit about your subjective opinion. In fact, that's kind of the point.

[EK WAFFLR]

For me, subjectively, the word authentic does have an application in this context. I consider music to be authentic if the musicians' only or primary motivation is that they enjoy making it more than anything else they could be doing instead.

So, if they are doing it because it makes money, it can't be authentic?

Can you give me an example of authenticity?

Moonsorrow

Are you fucking kidding me? I love Moonsorrow, but boy do they enjoy their moneys.
According to your definitions,they're not artists.

According to my actual definitions (as opposed to the strawman TGRR created) they are. 


For chrissakes they released an album that was two, 30-minute long songs.  Even by metal standards that is insane and not exactly lending itself to mass consumption.

RWHN proves he's a gazillion years old. Releasing 30 minute songs hasn't been controversial, or even detrimental to sales in extreme metal since perhaps '94.

Also, quick question, old fart. Children of Bodom, artists Y/N?

Sure, though I personally find them rather dull and boring.

Assembled by Spinefarm to cash in on the melodic extreme metal trend.
Metal boyband.

[AFK]

Luckily for all of us, the purposes of this thread do not require anyone to give a shit about your subjective opinion. In fact, that's kind of the point.

Well, Waffle asked, so I answered. 

Of course, Moonsorrow is objectively the best metal band ever. 

True story.

Authentic Trve Metal!

[P3nT4gR4m]

A couple of their tunes were okay(ish) but my "infinite number of Beatles songs" theory kinda covers that

Missed that theory.

"The beatles did a couple of okay tracks" people use that in defence of the beatles all the time IRL. Someone will go "Ooh the Beatles" and I'll go "the beatles were shit" and someone else will name a couple of okay tunes.

The infinite number of beatles songs - theory is a simple bastardisation of the monkeys one. If the beatles record an infinite number of tunes (lets face it, their back catalogue is as close to infinite as you can get without developing your own solar systems) the theory posits that a couple of them will be okayi(ish)

[Don Coyote]

This seems familiar for some reason...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

This seems familiar for some reason...

HAR!  Until about 2008, I was a complete literary snob.  Then someone showed me Warren Ellis and Garth Ennis.

[AFK]

For me, subjectively, the word authentic does have an application in this context. I consider music to be authentic if the musicians' only or primary motivation is that they enjoy making it more than anything else they could be doing instead.

So, if they are doing it because it makes money, it can't be authentic?

Can you give me an example of authenticity?

Moonsorrow

Are you fucking kidding me? I love Moonsorrow, but boy do they enjoy their moneys.
According to your definitions,they're not artists.

According to my actual definitions (as opposed to the strawman TGRR created) they are. 


For chrissakes they released an album that was two, 30-minute long songs.  Even by metal standards that is insane and not exactly lending itself to mass consumption.

RWHN proves he's a gazillion years old. Releasing 30 minute songs hasn't been controversial, or even detrimental to sales in extreme metal since perhaps '94.

Also, quick question, old fart. Children of Bodom, artists Y/N?

Sure, though I personally find them rather dull and boring.

Assembled by Spinefarm to cash in on the melodic extreme metal trend.
Metal boyband.

Uhh...

Children of Bodom was formed in 1993 by guitarist Alexi "Wildchild" Laiho and drummer Jaska Raatikainen under the name of Inearthed. Both musicians had known each other since early childhood and had shared an interest in heavy metal, especially death metal groups, such as Dissection, Entombed, and Obituary. Bassist Samuli Miettinen completed the initial line-up of the band. Inearthed recorded its first demo, Implosion of Heaven, during August of the same year.