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Started by Pæs, October 09, 2013, 07:00:58 AM

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Pope Pixie Pickle

#60
October 10, 2013, 04:40:44 AM
oh i found the Dickwolves timeline!

http://debacle.tumblr.com/post/3041940865/the-pratfall-of-penny-arcade-a-timeline

http://debacle.tumblr.com/post/60283610877/the-pratfall-of-penny-arcade-a-timeline-part-2

Might be a bit thread drifty but Gabe has a habit of being a bit of a douche.
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 10, 2013, 04:30:40 AM
Quote from: Pixie on October 10, 2013, 04:26:46 AM

ok, I was using shorthand in that particular statement. but having to cover the same ground over and over with the misconceptions is for me, energy that'd be better spent (for my own sanity and health) asking people to educate themselves and ask me about finer points that need clarifying rather than feeling like I'm banging my head against the same bullshit over and over and over again.

I have come up with a couple of questions that I generally ask, to illustrate things.  Saves on long explanations that nobody listens to anyway.

1.  If two people have the same skill set and experience, should they be paid the same for the same job?

2.  Is there any time a person should be denied their full rights under law without trial?

If the answers are

1.  Yes

2.  No

They my answer is "congratulations, you're a feminist".  Leaves them having the argument in THEIR head, where YOU don't have to listen.

Yea when it comes to the finer points of rape culture and victim blaming, however, this is where the nuances come in and i'd prefer someone to be up to speed on what consent is, what it is not and such. it saves me a lot of meds.

I have a virtual bookmark list in my head full of basic introductory level to various SJ topics that I use as a starting point.  That's for the more difficult tasks of trying to subvert the bad signal that makes ignorant folks say shitty things to marginalised and possibly abused or victimised people.

P3nT4gR4m

#61
October 10, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
The whole idea of militant fart-sniffers in any movement is something that makes perfect sense to me. The way I see it, it begins from a position of feeling powerless. The immediate primate response to this seems to be to try and grab some power back wherever they can. So you see the middleman getting slapped by the manager and handing that down to his underlings. Nothing surprising to me there.

How the fuck do you stop it or get through to them, tho? Calling them stupid doesn't seem to work.

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Pope Pixie Pickle

#62
October 10, 2013, 12:18:55 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 10, 2013, 08:48:46 AM
The whole idea of militant fart-sniffers in any movement is something that makes perfect sense to me. The way I see it, it begins from a position of feeling powerless. The immediate primate response to this seems to be to try and grab some power back wherever they can. So you see the middleman getting slapped by the manager and handing that down to his underlings. Nothing surprising to me there.

How the fuck do you stop it or get through to them, tho? Calling them stupid doesn't seem to work.

Consent education in schools? The most militant that I know (and, also the least as a one-person outlier, incidentally) have all been sexual assault survivors in the case of people I have met IRL.  IDK about the most militant of online folks, but feminism isn't a monolith and has very different connotations if you put the word marxist or socialist or radical or liberal or christian or islamic or blah in front of it.

Pope Pixie Pickle

#63
October 10, 2013, 06:53:20 PM
Spoke to my more reasonable feminist SA survivor friend today.

They totally had a case of the misandry early on after they were assaulted.

anecdote isn't data, but it IS a pattern i recognise in survivors.

The Good Reverend Roger

#64
October 10, 2013, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: Pixie on October 10, 2013, 06:53:20 PM
Spoke to my more reasonable feminist SA survivor friend today.

They totally had a case of the misandry early on after they were assaulted.

anecdote isn't data, but it IS a pattern i recognise in survivors.

I can see that as being perfectly reasonable.

But I don't think it explains the competitive militancy on the internet.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Pope Pixie Pickle

#65
October 10, 2013, 06:56:10 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 10, 2013, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: Pixie on October 10, 2013, 06:53:20 PM
Spoke to my more reasonable feminist SA survivor friend today.

They totally had a case of the misandry early on after they were assaulted.

anecdote isn't data, but it IS a pattern i recognise in survivors.

I can see that as being perfectly reasonable.

But I don't think it explains the competitive militancy on the internet.

it might not be competitive is my thinking. It might just be an echo chamber of rant that they can't do anywhere else.

The Good Reverend Roger

#66
October 10, 2013, 06:59:58 PM
Quote from: Pixie on October 10, 2013, 06:56:10 PM
Quote from: Dirty Old Uncle Roger on October 10, 2013, 06:54:58 PM
Quote from: Pixie on October 10, 2013, 06:53:20 PM
Spoke to my more reasonable feminist SA survivor friend today.

They totally had a case of the misandry early on after they were assaulted.

anecdote isn't data, but it IS a pattern i recognise in survivors.

I can see that as being perfectly reasonable.

But I don't think it explains the competitive militancy on the internet.

it might not be competitive is my thinking. It might just be an echo chamber of rant that they can't do anywhere else.

Who gains the most respect in any FB community (of any kind)?

It's competitive, on the internet.  Same as any other cause.  Oddly enough, the same people are probably pretty calm and reasonable about things IRL.  But IRL, they are probably trying to sell their ideas, rather than their status.

It ain't a feminist thing, it's a primate thing.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

The Good Reverend Roger

#67
October 10, 2013, 07:03:38 PM
Come to think of it, the only people I know that aren't more reasonable IRL are hardcore conservatives.
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

P3nT4gR4m

#68
October 10, 2013, 07:05:14 PM
*ahem* the scots

just sayin

I'm up to my arse in Brexit Numpties, but I want more.  Target-rich environments are the new sexy.
Not actually a meat product.
Ass-Kicking & Foot-Stomping Ancient Master of SHIT FUCK FUCK FUCK
Awful and Bent Behemothic Results of Last Night's Painful Squat.
High Altitude Haggis-Filled Sex Bucket From Beyond Time and Space.
Internet Monkey Person of Filthy and Immoral Pygmy-Porn Wart Contagion
Octomom Auxillary Heat Exchanger Repairman
walking the fine line line between genius and batshit fucking crazy

"computation is a pattern in the spacetime arrangement of particles, and it's not the particles but the pattern that really matters! Matter doesn't matter." -- Max Tegmark

The Good Reverend Roger

#69
October 10, 2013, 07:09:31 PM
Quote from: P3nT4gR4m on October 10, 2013, 07:05:14 PM
*ahem* the scots

just sayin

I am assuming the ability to reason, ie, "reasonable".
" It's just that Depeche Mode were a bunch of optimistic loveburgers."
- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.
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