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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #45 on: November 14, 2013, 05:47:06 pm »
As happens quite often, I'm seeing the complete opposite of what the rest of the board is. I'm thinking, it sounds like Holist is having a kneejerk reaction to a kid not being told what's what and toeing lines and do as I say and shit and thinking "fuck me - that kid doesn't fit the system. This cannot be allowed" Like what everybody thought about me, back when I was a tiny little ball of FUCK YOU!

Holist, on the other hand, said "okay" and then spent the next however long trying to get out of that habit. Holist is pissed off when faced with the uncomfortable truth that some kids just see right through the machine and, until we figure out how to game it, all we have is FUCK YOU!

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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #46 on: November 15, 2013, 05:27:12 am »
Thanks DOUR.

All kids are square pegs. All kids meet a world full of round holes. Their reactions to the world trying to shape them into something they're not vary wildly based on temperament, but no kid is born exactly what society wants them to be. Quiet kids are encouraged, shamed, or bullied into being more social; loud kids are shushed; violent kids are put in time out and prison; friendly kids get Stranger Danger lectures.

The Little Man has had it rough. His parents are divorced, he recently lost his grandmother, and he's got another grandparent with a foot out the door. His mom went through a serious rough patch last spring, and now he's in a new school. He is hard because the world is hard and he knows it.

But let me make this very clear: The Little Man was a ball of FUCK YOU from the moment he was born, and no fluffy bullshit would have changed that fact. He is a force of nature unto himself, and my only goal as a parent is to help him learn to direct that energy towards accomplishing his goals instead of screeching like a monkey about every damn thing.



And if you ever, ever use a shitty phrase like "Self-righteous, opinionated child-abusers" to describe myself or anyone else on this board again, I am calling Jimmy Walnuts.

My oldest was born angry and she's still angry. She was an angry baby and an angry kid. She's angry at a world that is an unjust place. She's a social and political activist now, and I'm VERY proud of her. She is an angry, gentle, loving, nurturing, emotionally volatile, justice-seeking, close-to-the-chest human being. Her brother, who is 20 months younger, was born happy and he's still happy, always has been happy. His bad moods are a flash in the pan, he is perceptive and resilient and sunny and impulsive and trouble rolls off his back. People are born with different temperaments. Nurture is only about half the story of personality, if that.
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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #47 on: November 15, 2013, 05:32:45 am »
9:39

So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #48 on: November 15, 2013, 05:34:57 am »
9:39

So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #49 on: November 15, 2013, 01:38:41 pm »
I'm still really confused about this place that Holist inhabits where children are born into a world that doesn't deserve a good dose of FUCK YOU. And everything is sparkles and sunshine forever.

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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #50 on: November 15, 2013, 02:19:39 pm »
I'm still really confused about this place that Holist inhabits where children are born into a world that doesn't deserve a good dose of FUCK YOU. And everything is sparkles and sunshine forever.

That's not important.  What's important is that you're doin' it wrong, and he's here to teach you how to do it right.
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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #51 on: November 15, 2013, 02:56:00 pm »
9:39

So when do we get to start the Smelly Worthless Hippy Fathers Who Don't Know How to Use Condoms thread? I mean, since Holist seems so adamant on telling the women of this board how to parent, we should really return the favor.

But you're women.   :sad:

Oh, right.

Sorry.

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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #52 on: November 15, 2013, 04:54:15 pm »
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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #53 on: November 18, 2013, 11:06:31 pm »
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

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I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.

In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.

I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.

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I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?

I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.

Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...
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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2013, 11:12:05 pm »
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

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I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.

In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.

I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.

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Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?

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I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.

Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:

I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?

I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.

Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...

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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2013, 11:14:10 pm »
Truly, it is a thing of beauty which must be preserved for the ages.

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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2013, 11:16:11 pm »
Daft perhaps. That still doesnt explain why you have so many kids. Unless youre assuming that i dont understand how is babby formed.
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« Reply #57 on: November 18, 2013, 11:17:30 pm »
I like how DOUR's mind lazors were mentioned by the 3rd paragraph.

He's manipulative you know.
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Re: Mommy Shaming
« Reply #58 on: November 18, 2013, 11:22:24 pm »
It's kinda like a template. Bit disappointed that my bit descended into incoherent rambling, when everyone else was treated to a nice, pithy tag line but you know - me and my ego  :oops:
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« Reply #59 on: November 18, 2013, 11:26:23 pm »
You are such a sorry bunch of losers.

None of you appear to be particularly happy, except on occasion, generally accompanied by being manic... pills, job unhappyness, angry children, stressed for money, stressed for time, etc., but you are still completely convinced that your way of going about things is the best possible way...

Roger, in addition to being a reasonably clever moron, you are also a manipulative bastard with entirely too much time on your hands. The reason I am not going to try to respond to your criticism, scattered among manipulative lies as it is, is that there's no point.

LMNO, I think lazy slob best describes you, always ready for the cheap shot, as long as it doesn't occupy much more than a line and a half.

Gogira, your take on life and your fake posturing at times inspire little other than pity.

Nigel, I've heard of children born angry, but stay-angry? Not really, unless they continually have something to be angry about. And people who continuously strive to find something to be angry about don't grow on trees. Twid, you are a bit daft, aren't you?

However, you all have redeeming qualities and I love you. :)

:regret:
I don't live in a perfect world. I live in the world where reasonable cunning and circumspection affords a comfortable and enjoyable life, with the occasional crisis. Most people fail to achieve this and decide to live boring, infuriating, self-harming, maddening lives, but I guess it's a free world.

In my family, and the families that are close to mine, children stay home until the age of three. I know this sounds outrageous, but that's how it is. So their social context is their family until the age of three: and by that time, verbality is entrenched, and most of the dependence is gone (if you raise them resourceful, like you should). And no, the entire social context of those children isn't supportive and positive, but a sufficiently large chunk of it is. They then go on to decent nursery schools and then schools where they actually do stuff they enjoy and generally like going and have a good time. We are a rather small minority, mind you. Most people here, just like there in your wonderland Ammerricka, perceive that they are forced to return to work earlier and put their children in industrial childminding facilities that damage them. I think it is a terrible shame that happens, but the best thing I can do to stop it is not to follow the pattern myself. And you see, the reason we don't mind being called stupid fucking hippies at all, but at all, is that we are having fun.

I am not perfect, in fact, I don't know anyone who is. But there is a difference, and you all know it, between mindlessly repeating the same mistakes day in day out, and making mistakes, noticing them, correcting them and learning from them. I am continuously making an effort to chose the second option.

Oh, and you could live in that world. It's up to you.

Golden Applesauce:

Okay, fuck me. Do you know why you were suicidal?

Suu:
I'll start it in a minute, when I'm finished with this answer.

Pent:
You completely misunderstood me. It my communications skills be must. I harder try here now:

I don't tell my kids what to do unless they ask me to. The first bit after they are born, when they are not capable of asking, is a bit more complicated than that, m'kay?

I never really conformed to the System, and I emigrated at age 17, from the then Soviet-dominated Eastern Block to the UK, my last job in the sense of paid employment was when I worked as a pool-attendand for 4 years in my early twenties. Since then I have been a frontal lobe prostitute, and did pretty well out of it, though to tell you the truth, it has become right boring in recent years. I currently support a large family together with my wife working very irregular hours that even out at 25-30 hours a week I guess, I play in a band and have sold music for money... yep, I'm a fucking conformist, who wants parents to beat their kids into shape. Right.

Well, that's all I wanted to say, Imma start a thread now...

What in the fuck is wrong with you?

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Looks like Roger was right. Again. And I, always the optimist, was quite wrong.
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