Creeper shots and body shaming.

[Salty]

It certainly lacks a certain level of class.  I mean, I can understand going "huh" or maybe cracking a grin at the occasional "People-of-WalMart" style photo, especially when the person in question is clearly unhealthy or way out from the norm.

Yes, that's entirely normal.

Nigel, yes, I do it, we all do it. Especially when something unusual comes out of nowwhere. I will even admit that I am taken off guard when I notice very suddenly that someone has a hook where there hand may once have been. Then I check myself and move on with my life.

LMNO:
Fashion, especially when it is an abiding interest is, is the sort of thing people want others to take note of. That seems to me to be a fair amount of the whole point. Whether good or bad attention is drawn seems like a sort of game, mostly in the spirit of fun, even when snarky.

That said, the key word is choice. Not everyone chooses what they wear. Some people are stuck with what they have, or, as with music, food, books, only know what their small slice of the world has shown them. How many people refuse to dance because they were mocked at some point and feel they "can't"? Not saying you would do anything like that, just that it happens.

I can say I have almost no fashion sense and view clothing from an almost completely wholly practical perspective. I own 3 slacks and about 10 pairs of pajama pants (currently, the ones I'm wearing are baby blue and covered with white snowflakes) and am considering giving up those stained and frayed slacks and switching to scrub bottoms because slacks restrict my movement and I think it may be contributing to my lowback pain.

I have recently walked into two resturaunts where two friends of mine each said, "Oh, it's you, I thought you were a homeless person." Because I do dress like an Alaskan homeless person. For one, it is warmer than the clothes needed by car owners or upper class Alaskan types in all that lycra and spandex while they jog. Secondly, it keeps me from getting mugged and/or fucked with.

AND it allows me to laugh at people who are just TERRFIED when we cross paths because they assume the kind of person I am. Which is a crazed, drunken savage, as they view all people who aren't like them. And all it would do to change.their minds about me is a change of clothes. That may be nornal, but it is no less silly.

[Reginald Ret]

It certainly lacks a certain level of class.  I mean, I can understand going "huh" or maybe cracking a grin at the occasional "People-of-WalMart" style photo, especially when the person in question is clearly unhealthy or way out from the norm.

Yes, that's entirely normal.

Nigel, yes, I do it, we all do it. Especially when something unusual comes out of nowwhere. I will even admit that I am taken off guard when I notice very suddenly that someone has a hook where there hand may once have been. Then I check myself and move on with my life.

Idem Dito.

LMNO:
Fashion, especially when it is an abiding interest is, is the sort of thing people want others to take note of. That seems to me to be a fair amount of the whole point. Whether good or bad attention is drawn seems like a sort of game, mostly in the spirit of fun, even when snarky.

That said, the key word is choice. Not everyone chooses what they wear. Some people are stuck with what they have, or, as with music, food, books, only know what their small slice of the world has shown them. How many people refuse to dance because they were mocked at some point and feel they "can't"? Not saying you would do anything like that, just that it happens.

I am one of those people who refuse to dance or sing, it wasn't a point of mockery though, that only lasts for a few weeks or months. No it is being mocked for several years that gets you to internalize it.

I can say I have almost no fashion sense and view clothing from an almost completely wholly practical perspective. I own 3 slacks and about 10 pairs of pajama pants (currently, the ones I'm wearing are baby blue and covered with white snowflakes) and am considering giving up those stained and frayed slacks and switching to scrub bottoms because slacks restrict my movement and I think it may be contributing to my lowback pain.

I have recently walked into two resturaunts where two friends of mine each said, "Oh, it's you, I thought you were a homeless person." Because I do dress like an Alaskan homeless person. For one, it is warmer than the clothes needed by car owners or upper class Alaskan types in all that lycra and spandex while they jog. Secondly, it keeps me from getting mugged and/or fucked with.

AND it allows me to laugh at people who are just TERRFIED when we cross paths because they assume the kind of person I am. Which is a crazed, drunken savage, as they view all people who aren't like them. And all it would do to change.their minds about me is a change of clothes. That may be nornal, but it is no less silly.

I have no idea how i dress, all i know is people either double-take then ignore uncomfortably or dismiss me as too weird to be relevant.

[Red]

I am one of those people who refuse to dance or sing, it wasn't a point of mockery though, that only lasts for a few weeks or months. No it is being mocked for several years that gets you to internalize it.

This. Years of being treated like a monster is one of the surest ways of making a monster.

I grew up in small towns in Virginia bouncing from rural spot to rural spot and quickly learned that nomatter where I landed I these people are unrelenting. If you are not 100% like them in every way you will be shunned, teased, insulted, attacked, and otherwise ground down until you either change into them, snap and kill people, or leave the area (possibly with mild PTSD from the experience). Something so small as what you wear, the color of your skin, or your weight can get you practically exiled.

You don't know isolation or hate until an entire town knows your name and has decided you are the outsider. Even worse, it's a snowball effect: people shame others to make themselves less of a target. Good luck finding any mercy as having mercy makes you a target.

I have noticed that the very people that treat others so poorly are often the very same ones who proudly shop at Walmart. This is because Walmart is always the big fashionable/cheap store in rural areas. They even boast about how big their Walmarts are! They are the "People of Walmart" everyone else is laughing at!

If anything, I find myself laughing more at the irony than the pictures circulated online.

[Salty]

I am one of those people who refuse to dance or sing, it wasn't a point of mockery though, that only lasts for a few weeks or months. No it is being mocked for several years that gets you to internalize it.

You don't know isolation or hate until an entire town knows your name and has decided you are the outsider. Even worse, it's a snowball effect: people shame others to make themselves less of a target. Good luck finding any mercy as having mercy makes you a target.

Yup.

So many, fully convinced that THIS shape is the RIGHT shape, internalize that dogma so hard they perpeutate it against others who are so much like themselves. It's disturbing to me. As a kid I quickly learned there was no snese in reaching out to anyone as ostracized as myself because the only way they knew was the way they were treated, they modeled their behavior after what they saw as he natural way of things. I suppose that's perfectly natural as well, but ever so slightly less than what humans are capable of.

[Ben Shapiro]

I always wear shorts,boots, and band shirt. It makes me look like a loser, and people leave me alone. I believe there's a haters gonna hate picture floating on here.

The  most important thing of all. Shorts and Steel boots feel amazing!

[monad]

Related, but on a psychological rather than aesthetic level are things like /r/LetsNotMeet and /r/creepypms.
Many of the entries are admittedly worrying, but many more seem to be encounters with harmless, lonely people who don't understand how to interact with others, being shamed as potential rapists or murders. The ignorance on both sides makes it a little difficult to know how to feel about this.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I always wear shorts,boots, and band shirt. It makes me look like a loser, and people leave me alone. I believe there's a haters gonna hate picture floating on here.

The  most important thing of all. Shorts and Steel boots feel amazing!

This is why you're awesome.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Related, but on a psychological rather than aesthetic level are things like /r/LetsNotMeet and /r/creepypms.
Many of the entries are admittedly worrying, but many more seem to be encounters with harmless, lonely people who don't understand how to interact with others, being shamed as potential rapists or murders. The ignorance on both sides makes it a little difficult to know how to feel about this.

I'll tell you though, as a woman it can be very hard to know who's harmless but socially inept, and who's going to turn into your creepy stalker who will eventually rape you.

[monad]

That is what I meant by the ignorance on both sides making it hard to have a solid emotional response. Ignorance was maybe a harshly pathological word to use. It is possible to empathise with both the creeper and the creeped.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Sure, from an outside perspective looking in.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

  I actually just spent like half an hour reading /r/creepypms and I still haven't run across one who seems anything like "harmless". Wow. 

[Salty]

Guys who unintentionally come off as creepy simply need to understand the world they live in. You have to back off, cultivate a demeanor that is welcoming, not pushy, and just wait for women to accept you are not sleazy. Until society changes substantially there is no other way for women to protect themselves.

The trouble with that is there are very sick people out here that know this and use it.

So, it just takes time, or chemistry, or both. As a bisexual male I put guys through the wringer, few come out the other side. Very, very, very few.

[Salty]

Actually, no shaming creepers is not the same as.the OP. Shaming those who act wholly innapprorpiately with regard to sexual and ehical and social behavior is absolutely acceptable. It is usually the only way people learn.

[Salty]

Behavior is learned, body, social, and economic status are not.

[Pæs]

There's a pretty large overlap between guys who seem harmlessly creepy due to social ineptitude and those whose social ineptitude causes them not to recognise or adequately respect the boundaries of others.