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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2014, 10:22:16 pm »

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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2014, 10:23:52 pm »
Killing yourself is abandoning your family and if you are going to abandon them you should do so in the least painful way to them.  Not that abandoning your family is ok anyway, but people do it all the time.  Most of them by simply running off and not keeping in touch.

Killing yourself IS an abandonment, but that's not ALL it is. 
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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2014, 10:37:24 pm »
Exactly.  It's a lot more than an abandonment.  If the question is which hurts the family less, abandoning the family hurts less.  If you really can't tolerate living and it's gotten so bad that you need to off yourself and you want to do so in the way that hurts your family the least get away from your family. 

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« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2014, 10:39:51 pm »
Exactly.  It's a lot more than an abandonment.  If the question is which hurts the family less, abandoning the family hurts less.  If you really can't tolerate living and it's gotten so bad that you need to off yourself and you want to do so in the way that hurts your family the least get away from your family.

The primary motivation of a suicide is not abandonment.  It is to end one's own life.  Walking away from your family doesn't accomplish the primary motive, and if someone were thinking clearly enough to spend YEARS screwing up family relations, they wouldn't be considering suicide in the first place.
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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2014, 10:44:17 pm »
It doesn't take years to screw up relations.  Get out, tell them all you never want to see them again and that you are starting a new life, then go somewhere you won't be found and finish yourself off.

I'm not saying that's the thing to do.  Toughing it out and being there for them is the thing to do, but from what Squid is saying it doesn't sound like that's really possible.

Abandoning your family and driving off into the sunset is cruel, leaving them a dead body to find, or having the police tell them mommy killed herself is ten times as cruel.

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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2014, 10:50:51 pm »
Suicided human = Zero possibility of things turning out well for you.

Living human = The possibility definitely exists of things turning out well for you, no matter how small.
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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2014, 10:56:09 pm »
It doesn't take years to screw up relations.  Get out, tell them all you never want to see them again and that you are starting a new life, then go somewhere you won't be found and finish yourself off.

I'm not saying that's the thing to do.  Toughing it out and being there for them is the thing to do, but from what Squid is saying it doesn't sound like that's really possible.

Abandoning your family and driving off into the sunset is cruel, leaving them a dead body to find, or having the police tell them mommy killed herself is ten times as cruel.

You should stop now.
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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2014, 10:59:56 pm »

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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2014, 11:08:46 pm »
Pergamos. Stop talking. Also you're kind off an idiot.
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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2014, 01:34:41 am »
Perg. What the fuck. Honestly.

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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2014, 01:53:17 am »
I'm gonna just assume he was all fucked up on something and let this one slide.
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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2014, 03:51:54 am »
I'm bipolar myself and I've been involved with a lot of depressive people.  Lucky for me none of them were my parents but I do understand the difficulty of caring deeply for someone and having her be miserable and being unable to do anything about it.  One of the depressive people that I was involved with flirted with suicide.  We ended things years ago, and we haven't talked in years, I do however still think about her because she had a big impact on my life.  I wasn't able to make her happy, it made me feel helpless and when she was down she would sometimes lash out at me and make me feel as if her misery was my own fault.  I was entangled with her in a relationship which wasn't healthy for either of us but which I was completely devoted to.  She ended things with me and that put me in a downward spiral that led to being institutionalized after an attempt at suicide myself.

That said I am still glad that she broke things off with me rather than with life in general.  I would have blamed myself  (I did for the breakup as well, but being at fault for a breakup is a much easier burden than being at fault for a death) and I would probably have tried much harder to make sure that I was properly dead.  I know that my own bipolar is sometimes hard on my family.  I'm fairly high functioning so it's not a huge burden but I recognize that it is one.  On the other hand I can't imagine how devastated they would be if I were to kill myself.

I hope you can pull through and keep functioning but if you really truly believe that suicide is the best option, for the good of your family as well as yourself then alienate your family first.  Alienate them so thoroughly that they will not even hear of the news of your death.  You will be abandoning them either way and a "regular" abandonment is far less cruel than a suicide that they can blame themselves for.

Apparently you didn't read my post, as suicide is not an option, ya dumbass.
If you had read anything correctly, you would have seen that I was making a comparison to people that I know who have had to live through that.
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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2014, 03:55:16 am »
Oh, dear.  He's woken Squidzilla.

(For what it's worth, I read it wrong too, and was worried.)
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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2014, 04:15:45 am »
Oh, dear.  He's woken Squidzilla.

(For what it's worth, I read it wrong too, and was worried.)

It was still an incredibly fucked up thing for Pergamos to say regardless of what Squiddy actually said or how it was interpreted by people who aren't Pergamos.
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Re: So here's a question
« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2014, 04:19:12 am »
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