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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #570 on: July 26, 2016, 04:54:51 pm »
That was impressively mean, even for Slate

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #571 on: July 26, 2016, 05:11:03 pm »
In fairness, most look old enough to know better.
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #572 on: July 26, 2016, 05:13:21 pm »
Oh believe me, that wasn't me condemning them.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #573 on: July 26, 2016, 05:44:19 pm »
Incidentally, I heard a new (to me) portmanteau: "Sandernistas".  Seems fitting.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #574 on: July 26, 2016, 05:49:46 pm »
You need to go on social media more.  That's been swirling around since Feburary or so, I think

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #575 on: July 26, 2016, 08:35:41 pm »
Bernie's delegates are absolutely freaking out at his speech right now.

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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #576 on: July 26, 2016, 11:50:11 pm »
You need to go on social media more.  That's been swirling around since Feburary or so, I think

It's been around since Sanders expressed his support for the actual Sandanistas, back when they were a viable thing.  So quite a bit longer than February.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #577 on: July 27, 2016, 01:38:35 am »
FINE. I get it.

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« Reply #578 on: July 27, 2016, 01:56:37 am »
The NYT is now reporting the hacked documents may have been altered.

Basically, the metadata in the leaked files posted by Wikileaks is in Russian.  This means one of two things.  Either the hackers opened up the emails in Word and saved them....or they opened them up in Word, selectively edited them to make them look a bit spicier, and then saved them.  No-one knows.

I'm inclined to believe they weren't edited, because quite frankly if they were the revelations would be a lot more damaging.  But Wikileaks does not give any fucks either way regarding the possibility, apparently, or else they would have noticed the same thing and asked for the raw files.

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« Reply #579 on: July 27, 2016, 09:45:00 am »
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I'm inclined to believe they weren't edited, because quite frankly if they were the revelations would be a lot more damaging.  But Wikileaks does not give any fucks either way regarding the possibility, apparently, or else they would have noticed the same thing and asked for the raw files.

Wikileaks aside for the moment, is not the hack in and of its-self, regardless on contents revealed, an indication of general security arrangements? Clinton has had plenty of shit of late over email severs and possible security lapses so I'd suggest that part of the motive is just to feed that narrative more. "Oh look, now they've left X accessible, she can't possibly be trusted with national security". I think this may be one of those unusual hacks where it's not so much about any information, just pointing out that X is not as secure as X claims, indirectly boosting Y's credentials.

The fun will really start if there's some kind of Trump hack because you just know so much of his material is going to be quite libellous.
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« Reply #580 on: July 27, 2016, 05:11:12 pm »
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I'm inclined to believe they weren't edited, because quite frankly if they were the revelations would be a lot more damaging.  But Wikileaks does not give any fucks either way regarding the possibility, apparently, or else they would have noticed the same thing and asked for the raw files.

Wikileaks aside for the moment, is not the hack in and of its-self, regardless on contents revealed, an indication of general security arrangements? Clinton has had plenty of shit of late over email severs and possible security lapses so I'd suggest that part of the motive is just to feed that narrative more. "Oh look, now they've left X accessible, she can't possibly be trusted with national security". I think this may be one of those unusual hacks where it's not so much about any information, just pointing out that X is not as secure as X claims, indirectly boosting Y's credentials.

The fun will really start if there's some kind of Trump hack because you just know so much of his material is going to be quite libellous.

There won't be.
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« Reply #581 on: July 27, 2016, 05:37:41 pm »
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I'm inclined to believe they weren't edited, because quite frankly if they were the revelations would be a lot more damaging.  But Wikileaks does not give any fucks either way regarding the possibility, apparently, or else they would have noticed the same thing and asked for the raw files.

Wikileaks aside for the moment, is not the hack in and of its-self, regardless on contents revealed, an indication of general security arrangements? Clinton has had plenty of shit of late over email severs and possible security lapses so I'd suggest that part of the motive is just to feed that narrative more. "Oh look, now they've left X accessible, she can't possibly be trusted with national security". I think this may be one of those unusual hacks where it's not so much about any information, just pointing out that X is not as secure as X claims, indirectly boosting Y's credentials.

The fun will really start if there's some kind of Trump hack because you just know so much of his material is going to be quite libellous.

Clinton doesn't run the DNC, so that line of logic would be quite a stretch. Then again, people seem to have bought that some random staffer inadvertently inserted Michelle Obama's speech into Melania Trump's speech and somehow, nobody noticed until after it was delivered, sooo...
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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #582 on: July 27, 2016, 06:54:32 pm »
OK.  I'm feeling less like I'm on crazy pills now.

Though Trump was asked about the DNC hack, and basically said "I hope Putin has Clinton's emails too".  And talked about her VP "Tom Kean", advocated torture and withdrawal from the Geneva Convention.

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Re: Calling it now: Dems snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in 2016.
« Reply #583 on: July 27, 2016, 07:03:45 pm »
I believe he openly invited Putin to hack Hillary as well, didn't he?

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« Reply #584 on: July 27, 2016, 07:08:24 pm »
Yup.

And refused to say if the US would come to the defence of the Baltic states in the event of an attack by Russia

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/07/27/donald-trumps-falsehood-laden-press-conference-annotated/