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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #30 on: October 11, 2015, 06:40:44 pm »
In other words, I'm saying that being unable to get laid and the shootings are likely both byproducts of related factors.

A combination of a feeling of powerlessness, American gun culture, toxic, aggressive masculinity, and just for shits and giggles, white male privilege?

The white male privilege may be a more important contributor than most people seem to give it credit for. Since Elliot Rodger has come up as an example, let's refer to him again; his primary distinguishing characteristic was that he felt entitled to things he wasn't getting. He had good looks and money; America promised him popularity and sex, but he wasn't receiving those things. He was angry at being denied what he believed was his inherent due. Most shooters are middle-class or better; they are angry and thwarted and powerless and believe that they are being denied something that they are owed, and, most of all, that it is other people's fault.
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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #31 on: October 11, 2015, 06:42:26 pm »
The sexual fustration extending from highschool well into college thing is interesting.

That plus a culture that encourages arrested development, deminished responsibility, while simultanously pushing that they are the protagonist...

Its going to increase, further.

I've expressed my views on gun ownership in the past, I see no valid reasons to own one and want to see reduction of availability. But I dont think it would make much difference in these cases.

Something cultural is going to have to change or its going to get worse.

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“I’m guessing it was January 2007, a meeting in Bethesda, we got a bag of bees and just started smashing them on the desk,” Charles Wick said. “It was very complicated.”


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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #32 on: October 11, 2015, 11:26:38 pm »
In other words, I'm saying that being unable to get laid and the shootings are likely both byproducts of related factors.

I agree. Being sexually frustrated is probably a symptom that acts at least partially as a feedback loop, like scratching an eczema spot: it's not the cause, but it aggravates and perpetuates itself. Maybe there's a symptomatic treatment available, but I don't think that's going to get us where we need to be.

I mean, these people are probably not getting romantic attention because, you know, they are badly socialized and have the kind of mentality that leads to shooting lots of people. Not exactly a winner in the dating scene, at least to my knowledge.


Slightly tangenting, I think the issue of guns is a forgone conclusion in the USA. They're here to stay. The real question is, can we pull through to create a culture in which people can have their guns but not wind up in a spiral of crazy that leads to mass murder? Or at least, have them do it less often?

Guns and mental illness have coexisted in this country for a long time too, so I don't think that's a fruitful line of inquiry. Unless, of course, you consider the culture of the USA to be pathological or diseased (which I wouldn't immediately disagree with).

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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #33 on: October 11, 2015, 11:28:53 pm »
But there have been people not getting laid for ages. Why this, why now?

Our society has stopped pretending.  You are told by the news and by government officials that you are in fact a tiny cog in a big machine.  You are then told that this is good, and that you should be not only PROUD of this, but that you should shit all over anyone who feels that being a cog is a bad thing.

America, Cainad, love it or leave it.  Your efforts and the efforts of everyone around you flow, however indirectly, OUT to places like Afghanistan and then back IN to places like Raytheon and Goldman Sachs.  Your will never get to retire - if you're lucky enough to have a job - and your children will drink filthy water for their entire lives. 

And you are told, again, to SUPPORT this as good & right.  And lots of people do, they're absolutely frantic about it, and who the fuck knows what these freaks tell themselves before they go to sleep every night.

It's all sick.  And I am unsure exactly why it is surprising that sick people are produced by it.  Action/reaction, it's how the fucking universe WORKS.  "I can't get a date but this can't possibly be MY fault" and "That fucking asshole boss of mine ruins my life but I can't just WALK AWAY" and "I'll be paying off this degree for 35 years, and it qualifies me to make $18.50 per hour HAHAHAHA" and then one day you blast a room full of people at the community college, thus adding to the insane stress levels of every OTHER fucked up unit in the country.

But it makes GREAT media, and devolves quite nicely into the same old fucking 2nd amendment debates that we've been screeching past each other for 70 years.

When I think about shit like this, Cainad, I ask myself "We dropped out of the trees for this?"

At least we'll die having been entertained.

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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2015, 12:02:19 am »

I seriously dont believe in the sexual frustration aspect and i dont understand why that angle is being played as the primary factor.

Sexual frustration is hard to measure, but considering that all media, advertisement and entertainment use sex as the primary selling factor, it must mean its something systemic. Add to that all the religious nutjobs that think sex is sin and shameful... am i making my point? If sexual frustration was the main factor, why dont we have an epidemic of killer nuns?

I would rather posit the driving factors to be envy, entitlement and a constructed hatred for a specific groupality... I seriously dont have the time and energy to research but this would be my guidelines:

-What does the gunman want to achieve with the shooting?
-Who or what groupality is the gunman targeting?
-Who does the gunman hate?
-Who/what does the gunman idealize/love?
-Was it premeditated or was it a sudden impulse?
-Was the gunman delirious?
-What was the symbolical content of his delirium?

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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2015, 07:53:33 am »

I seriously dont believe in the sexual frustration aspect and i dont understand why that angle is being played as the primary factor.


Because its an existing narrative that sells well. "Nice Guys".

Thinking is hard. When something new and scary is happening you can either try your best to sort it out with the data you have, or you can ignore reality and force it to fit your preconceptions. Only one of these behaviours is rewarded. Notice, the main lesson that everyone takes from these shootings is that they are right and that THOSE FUCKERS we all love to hate are in some way responsible. Of course, THOSE FUCKERS are responsible, and by those fuckers I mean Gladio B.

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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #36 on: October 12, 2015, 09:12:12 am »
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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #37 on: October 12, 2015, 11:06:41 am »

I seriously dont believe in the sexual frustration aspect and i dont understand why that angle is being played as the primary factor.

Sexual frustration is hard to measure, but considering that all media, advertisement and entertainment use sex as the primary selling factor, it must mean its something systemic. Add to that all the religious nutjobs that think sex is sin and shameful... am i making my point? If sexual frustration was the main factor, why dont we have an epidemic of killer nuns?

I would rather posit the driving factors to be envy, entitlement and a constructed hatred for a specific groupality... I seriously dont have the time and energy to research but this would be my guidelines:

-What does the gunman want to achieve with the shooting?
-Who or what groupality is the gunman targeting?
-Who does the gunman hate?
-Who/what does the gunman idealize/love?
-Was it premeditated or was it a sudden impulse?
-Was the gunman delirious?
-What was the symbolical content of his delirium?

While I would generally agree, it could also be argued that the shooter's envy, entitlement and targets were influenced and made more specific by the media he was consuming and the culture he was taking part in.

Unfortunately, the only site we seem to know of him posting on is /r9k/, sadsack central of the internet.  The sort of place where they use "cuck" as an insult and actually mean it, or refer to themselves as betas.

Obviously, that's not the only issue, because we can go back to your points about sexual frustration and they still apply (ie; not everyone on /r9k/ is going to shoot up a school.  At the very least because it would involve leaving their parents basement, which just aint going to happen).

Knowing this does help us understand what may have helped develop his notion of legitimate targets and supposed greivances, while not actually telling us much about the underlying causes which made him turn to these people and groups and be suspectible to adopting their thinking in the first place, or decide that the best way to deal with them would be violence.

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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #38 on: October 12, 2015, 11:07:16 am »
I mean, beyond the MKUltra brainwashing, of course.

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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #39 on: October 13, 2015, 10:09:46 am »
I'm guessing there's a lot of contributing factors. Some root and some incidental but there's one that nobody's talking about - advertising.

I don't mean using tits to sell soda, as has already been discussed, I mean sensationalist reporting of school shootings in tabloid media.

Most of us watch these with a mixture of fear and disgust but not the lone weirdo's. If you're living in your moms basement, not getting any tail and/or being bullied or shit and your head is mince, my bet is these reports are a call to arms.

School shootings are on the rise. 3 hour special, after the news. "Not for the faint hearted". Snowball effect in progress...
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Re: Three school shootings today. America reaches new PR.
« Reply #40 on: October 13, 2015, 08:12:49 pm »
I'm guessing there's a lot of contributing factors. Some root and some incidental but there's one that nobody's talking about - advertising.

I don't mean using tits to sell soda, as has already been discussed, I mean sensationalist reporting of school shootings in tabloid media.

Most of us watch these with a mixture of fear and disgust but not the lone weirdo's. If you're living in your moms basement, not getting any tail and/or being bullied or shit and your head is mince, my bet is these reports are a call to arms.

School shootings are on the rise. 3 hour special, after the news. "Not for the faint hearted". Snowball effect in progress...

I remember car-chases being the evening entertainment for many in the 90s...

So like, "school shootings" are the new "car-chase" after school special of the 2000's