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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1185 on: February 15, 2019, 11:32:20 pm »
The Lib Dems and their 11 MPs

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1186 on: February 16, 2019, 12:57:06 am »
The Lib Dems and their 11 MPs

Oh.  You're fucked.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1187 on: February 18, 2019, 05:45:25 pm »
No, wait, 7 MPs have chosen now, today, to defect from Labour and save us from Brexit!

We did it, Reddit! Independent Party.

I agree with the expert analysis of the wrongly broadcast BBC voices: “Between this and Brexit we are actually fucked, it’s going to be so divided … The Conservatives are going to win.”

Oh well. At least people with a "funny tinge" can rest safe, knowing the Independent Party has their best interests at heart.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1188 on: February 18, 2019, 11:13:39 pm »
This all feels like a distraction from the ticking clock. Today was a clowncar of fun, could almost hear "Entry the gladiators" as the headlines came in through the day
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1189 on: February 18, 2019, 11:38:53 pm »
Oh it totally is.

You know the best part? They're not even a registered party yet. That's why they're so deathly afraid of having by-elections in their constituencies.  This has led to the hilarious position that it's OK to go back and ask the people again because the facts on the ground have changed re: Brexit, but not when it comes to your MP dumping the party and the manifesto they supported 18 months ago.

Not that they have the money to fight 7 by-elections yet. And at least two of them were parachuted into Labour safe seats and so aren't exactly loved by their constituents in the first place.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1190 on: February 19, 2019, 12:00:27 am »
On the bright side, if there was an extension of A50 for an election, there is a chance all 7 of them get wiped out, maybe May might not need to rely on the DUP.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1191 on: February 20, 2019, 05:42:11 pm »
I don't think that's on the cards.

Which does raise a rather important question: why now? They're not actually going to be able to impact on anything important, even with today's defections.

It just strikes me as an exercise in ego, a bunch of second-tier centrists attempting to hijack and control the Remain crowd any way they can. And this goes doubly for the former Tories, who have just made May even more reliant on the ERG and DUP
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1192 on: February 26, 2019, 01:09:57 pm »
So we’re going to vote on May’s deal on March 12th.

If that doesn’t pass, which it probably won’t, then there will be a vote to see if Parliament will back a no deal Brexit.

If that vote doesn’t pass, then Parliament will be asked if it wants to extend negotiations, likely only for a couple of months.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1193 on: February 26, 2019, 02:09:30 pm »
So no deal is not removed (because at that point the EU have no incentive in negotiating at all).
Extension past June Means running MEPs and contributing 7Bn to the budget.
So either labour need to be successful in getting the referendum run again or a final say ref with new choices.
A border poll is run in NI, potentially allowing the rest of the UK the deal without the backstop.
Or the UK ends up in permanent limbo of short term extensions.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1194 on: February 26, 2019, 05:08:21 pm »
There’s also now two chances for no deal as an outcome, from three votes

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1195 on: February 26, 2019, 07:31:03 pm »
There's also less incentive now for Remainers to support May's first vote, as they have the option of supporting the Article 50 extension.

In other words, this is actually increasing the chance of No Deal Brexit while superficially appearing not to.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1196 on: February 26, 2019, 11:48:02 pm »
I suppose it's the same three choices
No deal
Mays deal
Remain (either by cancel A50 or repeated extensions)
if they are serious about not wanting no deal it and extensions are not granted, then their choices come back to her deal or no deal.

In Ireland our arrogant fucker of a taoiseach referred to his party as the United Ireland party, as they believe either No deal, or Mays deal brings NI closer to the republic. Only remain now keeps the status quo. Talking like this will damage the good trade relationship that is there.
There have been repeated claims that in the no deal scenario Ireland will have to put up a border. Ireland ceded its claim to the north as part of the GFA, if that goes NI is contested territory again, and no border needs to be erected.
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1197 on: March 07, 2019, 10:13:15 am »
Ever heard that old joke "If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it?"
Well just to clarify where the power lies in the UK have a squint at this
https://www.globalresearch.ca/shocking-study-no-mainstream-media-outlet-dared-publish/5670569
The headline is tabloid but the research is very interesting
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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1198 on: March 08, 2019, 01:13:26 pm »
I’m surprised GR aren’t cheering that on, given their normal ideological and geopolitical preferences.

In other news, apparently Islamophobia is a job for the Foreign Office according to the government. Because Muslims are foreigners.

Also the killings undertaken by police and the military in Northern Ireland are all cool.

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Re: UK General Election 8th June: Shake it all about?
« Reply #1199 on: March 08, 2019, 03:02:46 pm »
I'm gonna say this again, you know, you guys should really get the fuck out of there.  That shit isn't America with a goofy ass, brain damaged Nazi, that shit is famine.
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